BrooksBurner

One year doesn't disprove anything. Look at the last 10 years. Generally the top point scorer in the division has been winning the division or at least close. It's not everything because offense is half the battle. Defense matters just as much. The Giants scored enough points to compete for the division. The defense was just that bad. The OL improved as the season went. Flowers was flushed out. Hernandez as a rookie got better as the season went. Him progressing even more this year should help relieve Solder's amount of responsibility on the left side. They traded for an all pro RG. Center wasn't particularly bad last year. RT is still a hole. We'll see what they do there.

So you highly disagree that scoring more points than other teams helps win more games, and thus helps win the division? OK lol. I think most didn't watch the 2nd half since the Giants were basically out of it, so I get it. Maybe some of the guys they brought in will help defensively, but it will probably be more of the same on that end.

Just going based off all of the reports that were out about it. Obviously I am just throwing a percentage out there. Probably depends how much he wanted to turn pro versus go back to college for another year. Rangers might have been choice A, but if he wanted to turn pro that badly he might have been willing to go with choice B (insert team here) instead of wait a year to sign with NYR.

The OL was much improved the 2nd half and they've added a probowl quality RG. Scoring the most points in the division generally helps win the division, so it does matter. I didn't see people bitching about the Eagles or Cowboys offense even though they scored less. The defense was horrid and thats why the Giants were horrid.

Very entertaining stuff by Brian Baldinger: https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/30/brian-baldinger-breakdown-what-do-new-york-giants-have-in-daniel-jones/

That's a relief. There is still a faction of Giants fans that sound just like you. You can rip the Giants all you want heh, but you're wrong ;) Well on their way to being respectable again.

I wonder if anything changes if Kakko severely outplays Hughes in the World Championships...

I guess a few losing seasons changes things pretty fast.

You can do far worse than Tate, Shephard, Engram, and Barkley out of the backfield. Coleman also has potential as a former 1st rounder. This isn't fantasy football. Not everyone needs 1200/10 to make up a good receiving core. The Pats are a shining example of this. I get it though. There's a Giants fan faction out there that requires bitching and moaning about everything. It's the hip thing. This fan base is embarrassing.

You didn't read anything I wrote if that is your summation.

Run lol .. but really though, Tate and Shepherd is no WR? The OL has been essentially completely rebuilt, aside from RT. Though there's a rumor that they will be signing Remmers for that. This seems like a false narrative for a team that scored the most points in their division, and consistently scored 27+ points per game in the 2nd half. I am not very concerned about the offense personally. The defense on the other hand...

That was my interpretation of the film before the draft, so no, it's not what I want to see. It's simply what I see. Your interpretation of what you see is based off other's interpretations.

I think he would be higher than that.

Probably paid more for Fox than we got for Zuccarello lol Unless he makes an instant and sizeable impact it wasn't worth it.

A bit too much to get him a year early, but guess we'll find out if it's worth it.

Oh sheeeet. I'll guess for TB's 2nd rounder.

I just don't see that on tape. On phone right now so can't dig for in game footage, but on pro day he flung it 50 yards in a quick smooth motion...looks like he barely tried: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap3000001024325/Daniel-Jones-dials-long-distance-on-deep-ball-at-pro-day Plenty of arm for the NFL. You don't need to be upper echelon arm strength amongst NFL QBs to be elite. Brady and Brees are not in the upper echelon when it comes to arm strength.

Would have loved Murray. He's a special player. I'd absolutely roll the dice on his size. Not taking Allen is a very tough pill to swallow. By all accounts, the Giants had an excellent value draft once disregarding the Jones pick. It would have been a homerun with Allen, and the defense would be that much more improved. You win with the big boys on DL/OL. They should have stuck to that. QB could have been solved next draft. With all that said, I still think Jones has the ability to make Gettleman eventually look like a genius. It was a career defining decision and it took massive balls to do it. I hope it works out.

No for both sides. Nashville loses basically all flexibility to improve roster for the playoffs at deadline. Rangers get a drawerful of unproven talent, but nothing worth the #2. The picks will be low.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/28/draft-recap-dolphins-rosen-trade-giants-fans-daniel-jones-steve-keim-kyler-murray-nick-bosa-social Good stuff!

Arm strength can be improved to a certain degree over time. Several examples exist of QBs improving their arm strength after reaching the pros. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. The way this is mentioned in the media makes it seems like he has a noodle arm. It's not an absolute cannon like Kyler Murray, in fact it's a couple of notches below, but it's an NFL arm. Neither batted balls or size concerns are natural talent. Batted balls is fixable. The size comment is inaccurate. Go take a look at NFL QBs and their height/weight/etc. He's also only 21. The guy was 1st round pick quality. Probably more teens-20s, but that's just how it goes sometimes. Gettleman simply wanted him and didn't care if it was a value reach. In reality they should have been prepared for this scenario where a guy like Allen is available that you should absolutely take. That way they can have a trade lined up to get back up there for Jones. Perhaps they did and they couldn't work anything out for a trade up, but it didn't sound like it based on Gettleman's press conference the night of the draft. What people are doing right now is painting this picture that Jones is a mediocre or backup QB just because he was taken early. I'm honestly just glad that at least it wasn't Haskins at 6. That guy is going to bust hard IMO.

Define natural elite tools. Is this just a cannon for an arm? That's not what makes QBs great.

Oh really? What a glowing regurgitation of the ESPN talking heads. I've watched Daniel Jones tape, and not just the highlights. I see a ton of potential and don't understand the incessant hating that's out there right now. I get the point that he was picked a little higher than some mock drafters thought he would, but I don't see on tape what the haters are saying. He doesn't have a weak arm. He doesn't have bad accuracy. He doesn't have a bad deep ball, though he didn't get to use it that much with the OL he had. He is probably the second most mobile QB behind Murray in this draft. He can really run and he posted a very good 40 time...something like 4.65. He makes smart decisions. Giants fans need to step away from the ledge and see how it pans out. I'll add that I would have taken Allen in that spot, and don't think it was a prudent move at all to take Jones there. But if they feel it's their guy and they A) didn't want to lose Jones and B) didn't think they could work out a trade up from 17 to make sure they got him, then I understand. But it's done, and it's time to focus on the positives. It will be fun reading the Giants bashing league wide for probably a year and a half until Jones even gets a snap.

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