RangersIn7

Bury these guys tonight and take the life out of them!

LGR!

13 minutes ago, Albatrosss said:

mika is a better all around player without a doubt.  But offensively i'd rather have Aho

Mika’s high-end is better.

Aho is more consistent.

But it’s close to even either way. 
 

Both are excellent players.

9 minutes ago, Vodka Drunkenski said:

It’s funny that we can’t enjoy and still want more.  I guess Trouba’s play can also remain status quo.

Trouba will have an important moment at some point

1 hour ago, Pete said:

All of this, and it's also a really odd time to be complaining about anybody on the team. 

 

They're undefeated in the playoffs. 

 

Can they at least lose (once) before we start pointing fingers at players?

Yeah

Can we just watch and enjoy them play the hockey they’re clearly good at playing and clearly enjoying. They’re clearly in this shit for one another and their coaches and all of that.

This is a really good group who could win it all.

Lets just enjoy that.

2 hours ago, Albatrosss said:

he's a finisher.  he needs someone to dish it to him.  I dont think he'd fit on the rangers tho.  He would play with Z and Kreider but Kreider cant pass for shit and Z hasnt been great at setting up players either. 

He’s only ever played the left side.

And he’s played it oh so well… as a clutch performer.

Hes proven he’s a great player in his spot.

Hes proven he can easily play with great players.

But you need to keep him on his side.

He’s the player you never move. 

Guentzel is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

And has been for a number of years.

Name 10 left wingers who’ve been better than him over the last 5-6 seasons?

You cant.

No one can.

Cause they don’t exist. 

25 minutes ago, Pete said:

I don't even understand why we're still talking about Strome.

 

Nobody complained about signing Trocheck over Strome on July 1. No one.

 

Last year Tro and Bread were oil and water so it was easy to wonder if they made a questionable choice. Now they found their chemistry. 

 

This year he became the player everybody said he would be last year (but wasn't), so why are we still talking about a guy who hasn't been here in two seasons?

I was agreeing with you.

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Not "always". Last season, he was ordinary, and worse in the playoffs. 

 

He's having a career year... Wouldn't expect him to duplicate it, just ride the wave. 

 

He was still a better and more complete player than Strome was.

Strome can’t win a faceoff to save his life, doesn’t kill penalties, and a stiff wind might knock him over.

And I’m a fan of Strome’s.

But he was an upgrade last year.

Hes an upgrade this year.

Hes an upgrade ever. 

57 minutes ago, Valriera said:

Match made in heaven for Kakko

Maybe put the two of them with Chytil???

Now would be a good time to swap if Lavy wants to.

Keep it rolling and tack on another one!

LGR!

35 minutes ago, LindG1000 said:

 

I'd argue differently. Consistency really matters, but it's consistency relative to your opponent. If we can keep playing the defense we played yesterday? I love our odds. Hell, I love our odds at getting some rest after the series if that's the case. 

 

Carolina isn't poorly run though. Brind'Amour is a more experienced coach than Carberry, and a smarter coach than Gerard Gallant. Carolina will adjust to the Rangers, and it's on Laviolette and the star players to make them feel like nothing they do will work.

I agree that teams that have had success playing THEIR game and doing so consistently absolutely matters. Not at all saying otherwise.

What I’m saying is simply that the models based on analytics don’t play out in the way of wins necessarily in a short series, because outliers and oddities can beat you.

Now obviously that can happen in the regular season, but it doesn’t matter than.

If Carolina goes up to Ottawa, on a Tuesday night in January and does all the things they do well to the Nth degree, dominates in puck possession and shot share, has tons of chances, yet they lose 3-1, you shrug it off and chalk it up to bad luck and it has minimal impact on their season and you move on and you play another game in a day or two. 

In the postseason, if that happens, it’s an entirely different set of circumstances. 
 

You tell your guys to just keep doing what they’re doing and things will even out.

The problem is that things don’t have the time to even out in a short series as much as they do in 6 months and 82 games.

13 minutes ago, LindG1000 said:

I'll tell you what - if you're the Hurricanes right now, what did you learn in game 1? The Rangers can keep you outside. They aren't afraid of taking penalties because they're going to kill them. They're not going to break structure without you going full force all the time. And if you take a penalty? Good luck. Your PK got smoked.

Yeah.

Again… it’s a short series.

These games are won and lost and play out based on things that happen in very short stretches of time. And oddities and “outliers” are way more impactful now.

In fact, they’re actually more impactful than that which trends well and plays out over 82. 
 

It just doesn’t matter.

I can specifically remember a game in the Conference Semifinals vs Pittsburgh in 2007-08.

Game 3 at the Garden.

Rangers came in down 2-0 in that series.

They were far and away the better team that night.

Out shot Pittsburgh something like 40-17

Had the puck all night.

Had tons of great looks.

They lost 5-3.

It doesn’t matter.

5 minutes ago, Sod16 said:

Yes, we've won with him, but I don't see a reason to wait for the inevitability of a goal against on one of these power plays.  He is basically not permitted to check.  It's the most outrageous officiating I've seen, because it's calculated as opposed to honest bad calls.

While the likelihood of him taking a penalty- whether it’s real or not- and it resulting in a PPG against is there, there is also no guarantee that it happens, and there’s also no guarantee that that goal is a meaningful one.

It may not matter.

And in reality, it doesn’t matter till it matters. 

56 minutes ago, Gravesy said:

I think that game was a pretty spot on example of why analytics favour the Canes, and why it might not matter.

Sure, if you play that game 100 times, there’s a good chance the Canes win more games than the Rangers given the possession and o-zone numbers. 
But we’re not playing them 100 times, it’s best of 7. And as long as Igor outplays Andersen, the Rangers special teams are clearly superior and the Rangers big stars take their chances it’s pretty clear that the Canes statistical dominance 5v5 and strong possession numbers might not be enough to win. 
It got a bit hairy at the end. But my feeling for 58 minutes of hockey was that I could clearly see why they’re favoured by analytics models, and I could clearly see how the Rangers overcome it.

Would you rather, in a fight, have 5 elite soldiers?

Or 50 mediocre soldiers?

10 minutes ago, Flynn said:

Ray Ferraro (who is generally a douche) really made the salient point- yeah the Canes had the puck a ton in the offensive zone, but they were hugging the redline for extended periods of time- the stats looked good, but it was low danger stuff. 

 

I’d take having the lower O zone time but double the high danger chances 5x5 every day of the week, twice on Sunday. The analytics are great, Carolina had 10 minutes of PP time to the Rangers 31 seconds- the numbers are surely going to be out of whack. 

 

 

This is why the analytic model is flawed.

It’s based on shot share, irrespective of where those shots come from and how likely they are to result in goals.

Obviously, the more you shoot from wherever, the more likely you are to score more goals. And while that has value, as does possessing the puck in the o-zone, if it doesn’t manifest in good looks, quality shots, and high danger chances, it’s not so impactful. 

They scored a handful more goals in droves of more shots than the Rangers did in the regular season. 
 

And it does nothing to show how efficient a team is offensively.

If you pot your chances consistently and efficiently, the quantity means less. 

There’s a valid case for making a lineup change given all the reasons- limited minutes, needing to be sheltered, no utility, and the fact that he’s being targeted by the officials.

But bottom line is that they’re winning and playing good hockey when he’s in the lineup so you probably just have to keep rolling with him. 

On 4/23/2024 at 4:12 AM, Pete said:

The other GMs don't want this. There are too many injuries during the playoffs. The GMs want taxi squads. 

 

The teams aren't complaining. Only the fans are. 

 

Would I like to see the loophole closed? Sure. Are rules being broken? No.

 

Would anyone complain if Chytil, Wennberg, or Roslovic score a Cup clinching goal? No.

 

As for knocking Stone, that's kinda crazy as I'm sure if it were up to him he wouldn't have lacerated his own spleen and sat out.

 

There's a serious lack of perspective on all this. 

This 100.

Yes… they need to close the loophole. 
 

But everyone needs to let it go.

This is available to literally every team should certain circumstances arise. 

9 hours ago, torontonyr said:

Roll with it. He's in DeAngelos head.

DeAngelo plays with himself.

1 hour ago, Ozzy said:

 

You're going to have to come to grips with the a couple of things here, Big Ed;

1. Devils fans are "special". 

2. They're also not really "fans"...most are bandwagon type....basically they're fucking idiots.  LOL

3. It's hard to be #3 in the NY market...and that's behind the Islanders...that's a whole 'nother story...but you get where I'm going here 

4....and most importantly...you think they're bad now?  Wait 'til we win the Cup this year!!!  Watch their faces then! ...matter of fact, I'd take a picture!

 

 

Pete always has a great handle on this stuff.  The above speaks volumes!! 

I have one response when a meet a Devils fan…

”So you’re the ONE?”

35 minutes ago, Pete said:

https://theathletic.com/5471828/2024/05/05/rangers-hurricanes-nhl-playoffs-predictions-odds?source=user-shared-article

 

Some great points made there, especially the first quote. 

 

Lots of "experts" pointing at how much "better" the Canes are at 5v5, despite naturalstattrick having Carolina at 30 more expected goals than the Rangers, they actually only scored three more at 5v5.

 

Carolina generates a lot at 5v5, but they don't cash at the same rate the Rangers do. The Rangers score at a much more efficient clip, they don't need as many chances to score as Carolina does. So this will be another series where xGF% isn't going to be very relevant. 

 

 

I’m of the opinion that in any playoff series that analytics don’t matter at all. 
Those are stats that matter and play well over the course of an 82-game, 6 month season. 
 

You can dominate a team in puck possession and shots and all that good stuff, and get goalied. 

Or just outplay a team at 5v5, but you take a bad penalty late in a tie game and they cash in and beat you. 
 

Or you make a horrible change on a PP and they come down and score short handed and take the momentum and the game from you.

Or you can lose one key matchup.

Or…

Or…

Or…

The only thing that matters in the playoffs is the ability of teams and coaches to find ways to win games. 

Start this one off right!

LGR!

1 hour ago, Br4d said:

 

I think Rempe is going to be in the lineup as long as he is available.

 

Laviolette is used to having a pounder in the playoffs.  Call it Tom Wilson Syndrome.   Laviolette won a cup with it a few years ago.

Lavy wasn’t the Caps coach when they won the Cup.

 Lavy won his Cup in 2005-2006 with Carolina. 
Tom Wilson was 12. 

15 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said:

Is there anywhere this twat would like to play?

That place was apparently supposed to be LA.

16 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

And see what happens? I know what will happen. He’ll try to give me the aids he got from another board member whose username rhymes with Albatross, and I’ll decline

 

You sound pretty jelly…“no cap” as the kids say these days

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

Funny, he said he got aids from you.

 

Between him, and the guy that already gave him aids, they have a sick obsession with me.

Can we all agree on…?

RANGERS IN 7!

1 hour ago, Scott said:

All these things were true. But they also had a benefit from that point forward until the cap was introduced.  They had the resources to outspend many. 

 

This article only mentions a db established in 2000. Cap went in 05-06.  It's also mentions:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/401569-new-york-rangers-led-nhl-in-total-payroll-once-again-in-200910

 

 

 

There's a bunch of numbers, highest salaries on the team in between these quotes by the year. I didn't want to cut and paste the whole article, but there's some depressing reminders in there.

They missed their window to exploit the payroll advantage they could’ve had in 10 years from the mid-90’s till the 2004 lockout.

The Zubov trade and the miss on Sakic is what killed them. 
They’re competitive for the next 5 years if not for those things.

36 minutes ago, Sod16 said:

For the reasons stated, the league was rigged in favor of Montreal, Toronto and Detroit, which finished first every year between 1943 and 1966 and won all but one cup in that period.  Before the War, the Canadian junior system was not as well developed and was not the exclusive feeder, so the Rangers, Boston and Hawks were competitive.  As far as Kreider being in the top 5, remember that the schedule was 48, 60 and then 70 for a good chunk of the 100 years.  The game was also more low scoring during large swaths of that time.  And hey, how many of the Rangers from the 1950s could jump out of filled swimming pool?

Also very good historical points about the game to remember.

I view sports through eras.

And I’m getting older now so I’ve seen several in all sports.

 
In hockey, there’s several distinct eras.

1) Pre-NHL Era 1890’s-1920’s 

2) Original 6 Era of 1920’s to 1967.

3) Expansion/Merger Era 1967-1980

4) Modern Era 1980-2004

5) Salary Cap Era 2005-Present