Long live the King Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 How many of the #2 picks in the last 6 or 7 years were “instant game breakers”? The answer is basically only Laine fits that description. It’s not impossible that Kakko dominates from the get go, but people should pump the brakes a bit. A 50 point season would be a very good start. Kakko is a special player. He might still need time, just like Barkov, Eichel and the others. To be fair, if he ends up on a line with Zib and Panarin I do expect him to put up a fair amount of points. Past #2 picks have nothing to do with Kakko. Kakko is only a #2 pick because Jack Hughes happened to be born the same year. Eichel scored 54 points on a shit team with no help, that's needing time? Brady Tkachuck was #4 and out scored all 3 picks in front of him in only 71 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Past #2 picks have nothing to do with Kakko. Kakko is only a #2 pick because Jack Hughes happened to be born the same year. Eichel scored 54 points on a shit team with no help, that's needing time? Brady Tkachuck was #4 and out scored all 3 picks in front of him in only 71 games. I was replying to a post stating that as a #2 pick he should hopefully be an immediate game breaker. Surely what previous #2 picks have been able to do is relevant in that context. Both Eichel and Tkachuk did really well in their rookie years, but it’s hard to describe them as immediate game breakers. I don’t get your point re: Hughes, Eichel was only #2 because McDavid was born the same year. The point is, he’s special and will be a brilliant player but there’s no real evidence of #2 picks coming in and being immediate game breakers. Again, people shouldn’t be disappointed if Kakko puts up around 50 points in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I was replying to a post stating that as a #2 pick he should hopefully be an immediate game breaker. Surely what previous #2 picks have been able to do is relevant in that context. Both Eichel and Tkachuk did really well in their rookie years, but it?s hard to describe them as immediate game breakers. I don?t get your point re: Hughes, Eichel was only #2 because McDavid was born the same year. The point is, he?s special and will be a brilliant player but there?s no real evidence of #2 picks coming in and being immediate game breakers. Again, people shouldn?t be disappointed if Kakko puts up around 50 points in his first season.People shouldn't expect #1 picks not named McDavid or Crosby to be game breakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I was replying to a post stating that as a #2 pick he should hopefully be an immediate game breaker. Surely what previous #2 picks have been able to do is relevant in that context. Both Eichel and Tkachuk did really well in their rookie years, but it?s hard to describe them as immediate game breakers. I don?t get your point re: Hughes, Eichel was only #2 because McDavid was born the same year. The point is, he?s special and will be a brilliant player but there?s no real evidence of #2 picks coming in and being immediate game breakers. Again, people shouldn?t be disappointed if Kakko puts up around 50 points in his first season.The point is that not all #2 picks are created equal. Kakko as a #2 pick is better than Hischer as a #1 pick. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Except, Crosby's played with a bunch of nobodies his whole career. Matthews and Marner don't play together. Laine and Scheifele don't play together. Kane and Towes don't play together. O'Reilly and Tarasenko don't play together. These are some of the “nobodies’ Crosby was forced to play with on his line followed by career points. Leclaire (819) Recchi (1533) Hornquist (448) Guerin (856) Kunitz (619) Hossa (1134). Apparently Quinn has already said it will be Zib and Panarin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The point is that not all #2 picks are created equal. Kakko as a #2 pick is better than Hischer as a #1 pick. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Whilst true, that has nothing to do with what I was replying to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 These are some of the ?nobodies? Crosby was forced to play with on his line followed by career points. Leclaire (819) Recchi (1533) Hornquist (448) Guerin (856) Kunitz (619) Hossa (1134). Apparently Quinn has already said it will be Zib and Panarin.That's not even the point. Point was that he doesn't play with Malkin, but since you brought it up... Leclaire scored all those points before Crosby was 10. Recchi scored all those points when Crosby was 5. Guerin had 45 points in his full year as a pen. Hornqvist is a 50 point player? Hossa played 12 games as a pen? No one would know who Kunitz is without Crosby. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 That's not even the point. Point was that he doesn't play with Malkin, but since you brought it up... Leclaire scored all those points before Crosby was 10. Recchi scored all those points when Crosby was 5. Guerin had 45 points in his full year as a pen. Hornqvist is a 50 point player? Hossa played 12 games as a pen? No one would know who Kunitz is without Crosby. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Your claim was that Crosby played with nothing but ‘nobodies’. Obviously incorrect. Crosby is a center. Malkin is a center. Great point that they were not on the same line. Like I said. Early indication is Zib and Panarin will play together. Just like most teams do when they have a stud winger and a very good center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think we’re going to see a whole bunch of different line combinations this season. But with the additions of McKegg, Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov Plus Trouba and Fox, it should be a bit more exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I?m not. Zibanejad is your top center. Put panarin with any of the other centers and he should elevate whomever to at least the production of 60 points. Panarin is a franchise altering player. You don?t pay him the second biggest contract in the league next to Mcdavid and not expect him to carry his line and linemates. Lias Anderson should easily put up 60 points with him on his flank. Hmmmm, really? 60 points over how many seasons combined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think we?re going to see a whole bunch of different line combinations this season. But with the additions of McKegg, Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov Plus Trouba and Fox, it should be a bit more exciting. McKegg, really? Lol Agree tho, the lines will change a lot this season. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 No one would know who Kunitz is without Crosby. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Ryan Whitney would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 McKegg, really? Lol Agree tho, the lines will change a lot this season. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk ha agreed. Holy crap I knew nothing about McKegg assuming he was a young up and coming kid. Jokes on me, he'll hopefully lead Hartford to a respectable season. Find a kid any kid to get the NHL mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 McKegg, really? Lol Agree tho, the lines will change a lot this season. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk lol! Should have snuck him in there later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 In the last 10 seasons, there have been 65 players to hit 40 points in their rookie seasons. Averaging 6.5 per season, to expect 2 to hit that might be overestimating, or having unrealistic expectations. Of those 65 players to hit 40 in their rookie season in the past 10 seasons, the Rangers have had 2. Name them. For a bonus point, name the Ranger that hit 39 points in his rookie season. Stepan and Skjei? Delzotto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 We sign a player for 11.6m per and people want to put him on a second line to help Chytl develop. That is not how anyone in the NHL would do it. The Rangers are rebuilding. I don't think it's wise to put a bunch of rookies or inexperienced players on the 2nd line. They are going to make mistakes. Lots of them. Not sure Quinn will put up with that for very long, nor does that help their development. Zib already has outstanding chemistry with Kreider and Buch. They can produce. That should be a set line. Gotta build another line. That line is going to have to consist of atleast one rookie and one sophomore year player. I'd rather not split up a unit that works, and throw all the proven point producing talent on one line and have such uncertainty on the other scoring line. I GUESS Kreider could ride shotgun for the kids, and open up the ice for them. I'd just rather see the talent spread out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 How many of the #2 picks in the last 6 or 7 years were “instant game breakers”? The answer is basically only Laine fits that description. It’s not impossible that Kakko dominates from the get go, but people should pump the brakes a bit. A 50 point season would be a very good start. Kakko is a special player. He might still need time, just like Barkov, Eichel and the others. To be fair, if he ends up on a line with Zib and Panarin I do expect him to put up a fair amount of points. That's a strange cut off. Because there's a a bunch in the last 10 years. Svechnikov Laine Eichel Landeskog Hedman Add in Barkov and Seguin who had solid sophomore years and are now big time players.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Well if what those guys did in their rookie seasons is what you’re looking for, then sure. It’s a bit unusual calling 40-50 point players “game breakers”. Imo only Laine with his 36 goals fit that description in his rookie year. But I guess we’re in agreement because I said we should be happy with a 50 point season, which is significantly better than Svechnikov, Barkov and in line with Eichel, Landeskog etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Ryan Whitney would. Always liked Whitney Shame that the issues with ankles and feet killed the higher end of his ability and ultimately ended his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Third line center who would love to come here and would sign a 1 year deal at $2m: Derek Brassard. He might just step up his game here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 No point bringing in Brassard, or anyone else, to fill the 3c role. Plenty of players already on the roster capable of doing that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Regarding the center positions with Chytil, Howden and Anderson. Now that they got their rookie seasons out of the way and will probably see guys younger then them on the roster, IMO, all three will see a major step up in their games. They should all be bigger, stronger and faster. Hopefully Chytil will not look like a lost puppy out there this year. Howden will be the one player that will show the most improvement and should showcase his play making ability on a more consistent basis. We saw glimpses of it last season making Zuccish passes and using his hockey iq to be creative. I also liked the fact that Chytil made attempts at his follow up checking towards the end of the season compared to hardly any the first 60 games. So pumped to watch this roster play next season. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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