RangersIn7 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Not even late first. Most of the usual suspects had him mid-round, which is pretty mindblowing. Correct. I think if you go back and look at the 2017 rankings, just before the draft, his average spot from the 10-12 biggest draft evaluators was like 12-14. To take him at 7 was such a reach. They talk about him as being the ?safe, conservative? pick. I don?t know how he?s safer or more conservative than more talented guys that are ranked ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 What are you going to do? Rangers suck at just about everything. Hence one cup in 80 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 assists today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm absolutely, unequivocally certain that the Rangers traded up thinking Pettersson would be there and panicked when the Canucks took him. That said, 2017 is going to go down as a weird draft. After the top 5, the talent fell off a cliff with a few exceptions (Necas, Suzuki, apparently Yamamoto, Chytil, Thomas). The picks immediately after Andersson look like complete busts too. It's still early, but it's not looking like this is a draft that's going to produce a ton of decent NHLers. Andersson was listed as the safest pick. He's making the NHL, he's probably a mid-six center. Both of those things are probably still true, though with more certainty that he's a third line center at best. I think it's fair to say that draft was particularly difficult to navigate. It's not entirely true the quality dropped off a cliff, because there are quite a few very good players taken later in the round and in rounds 2 and 3. But, clearly, many teams with high and midround picks took the wrong players. I was listening to a podcast doing a re-draft of the first round the other day (think it was Blueshirts Breakaway). There's a surprising amount of good players there when it's redrafted. I think they had Andersson around the mid 20's, but that was partly because they were trying to be nice and partly because they only did the players picked in the first round. If you include the 2nd and 3rd round he wouldn't be in. In summary I think it's a bit unfair to be too harsh with the pick; the Rangers were far from alone in picking the wrong player in the 7-31 range. But the players were certainly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The wierd thing is we all knew the pick was a reach when it happened, what made management think this would pan out differently? He was never projected to be more than Callahan. You reach for higher at #7. It just was an I'll advised pick. We all knew it. Find one person who thought at #7 that was a good ceiling to reach for. If we shot for the most talented at that time and it never panned out; who could complain? Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't but boy I hope that pick was a MAJOR learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The wierd thing is we all knew the pick was a reach when it happened, what made management think this would pan out differently? He was never projected to be more than Callahan. You reach for higher at #7. It just was an I'll advised pick. We all knew it. Find one person who thought at #7 that was a good ceiling to reach for. If we shot for the most talented at that time and it never panned out; who could complain? Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't but boy I hope that pick was a MAJOR learning experience. I hope so too, but I was thinking the same thing when they picked guys like Jessiman and McIlrath with high picks. They even took a starting goalie at #6 with Montoya when they already had Lundqvist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Does this fall back on the GM or scouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 wonder if Lias and Howden would've had any kind of chemistry on the fourth line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 wonder if Lias and Howden would've had any kind of chemistry on the fourth line. Probably not. Andersson is a complementary player that requires linemates that carry the puck and shoot. Howden is more of an opportunist that can get chances off of loose pucks and bounces, but isnt the type to carry the puck, play or line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Probably not. Andersson is a complementary player that requires linemates that carry the puck and shoot. Howden is more of an opportunist that can get chances off of loose pucks and bounces, but isnt the type to carry the puck, play or line. its the fourth line. dump and chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 its the fourth line. dump and chase. Howden, sure. Andersson wont find success on a line with stereotypical 4th liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Howden, sure. Andersson wont find success on a line with stereotypical 4th liners. Looks like our 4th line next year could be Howden Lias Kakko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Looks like our 4th line next year could be Howden Lias Kakko. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Come on. Lighten up, buddy. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I think it's fair to say that draft was particularly difficult to navigate. It's not entirely true the quality dropped off a cliff, because there are quite a few very good players taken later in the round and in rounds 2 and 3. But, clearly, many teams with high and midround picks took the wrong players. I was listening to a podcast doing a re-draft of the first round the other day (think it was Blueshirts Breakaway). There's a surprising amount of good players there when it's redrafted. I think they had Andersson around the mid 20's, but that was partly because they were trying to be nice and partly because they only did the players picked in the first round. If you include the 2nd and 3rd round he wouldn't be in. In summary I think it's a bit unfair to be too harsh with the pick; the Rangers were far from alone in picking the wrong player in the 7-31 range. But the players were certainly there. Supposedly, they acquired number 7 for the purpose of moving up into the top 5 and were close to a deal with Vancouver for #5 but they couldn’t get it done. I’m guessing, but it was likely the 2 picks at 7 & 21 for 5, which is about fair value, maybe even a shade above, but Vancouver didn’t bite. Pettersson or Glass were supposedly the targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrooksBurner Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Link: Straight up, no more. Problem child for problem child. Pool boy hasn't shown anything to be worth more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 sign me up, nothing to lose here imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 do it. do it. do it. and throw McDavid in for Fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 do it. do it. do it. and throw McDavid in for Fast Might need Edmonton?s 1st too to make it fair Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Straight up, no more. Problem child for problem child. Pool boy hasn't shown anything to be worth more. I think they may add prospects & picks to said deal if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Straight up, no more. Problem child for problem child. Pool boy hasn't shown anything to be worth more. Hmmm. He kind of has, because at least he has flashed the skillset necessary to be a useful top 9 NHL player. Lias Andersson hasn't. At this point you're projecting with both players, at least for Puljujarvi you can say he has the skillset to be of value in the NHL if you can get his head right. With Lias you're questioning whether he has the necessary tools, even if you can get him fixed mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Hmmm. He kind of has, because at least he has flashed the skillset necessary to be a useful top 9 NHL player. Lias Andersson hasn't. At this point you're projecting with both players, at least for Puljujarvi you can say he has the skillset to be of value in the NHL if you can get his head right. With Lias you're questioning whether he has the necessary tools, even if you can get him fixed mentally. I think when his head is right, Lias has the tools to be a solid NHLer. Not phenomenal, but solid. Regardless, I think you'll see this trade made at the draft. The Rangers will address center depth in the first round, and when we can slot one or two more names ahead of Lias on the depth chart, we'll address the LW depth by engineering this trade. Might end up looking like Lias and a 3rd for Puljujarvi and a 5th or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm not sure either is an NHL player. Both feel like they're in over their heads. The difference is one can skate and the other can't, so all things being equal, I'd rather roll the dice with the one who can. Trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Rangers also have Kakko, Kravtsov and Buchnevich on the right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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