RangersIn7 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Considering the age/RFA status on both these guys and the fact they?ve performed well and have put themselves in position for significant raises, what are the prices any of you guys would be willing to commit to either of them long-term, in both years and dollars/cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Strome for me: 4 years @ 5.25-5.5 Deangelo: 5 Years @ 5-6. Not an easy thing to make big commitments to either based on one year. I'm more interested in what they could have had Deangelo for in the summer. Haven't seen that number floating around anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I’m afraid ADA would command $7M+. Not sure we could afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Strome for me: 4 years @ 5.25-5.5 Deangelo: 5 Years @ 5-6. Not an easy thing to make big commitments to either based on one year. I'm more interested in what they could have had Deangelo for in the summer. Haven't seen that number floating around anywhere. ADA...has to be $7m or more. Basing it on Trouba’s contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No way imo does ADA even get close to 7M. Trouba's contract is bloated imo too so no way I would use that as a baseline for ADA. Not for a completely one dimensional defensemen. If he's looking for 7 on this next contract he should pack his bags now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No way ADA gets 7m. Trouba had played over 450 nhl games and has been established already as a d1 shut down d with offensive ability (whether we agree or not that was his label). ADA is considered offensive only and has played less than 200 nhl games. Nhl tenure does come into play a bit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I wonder what AdA would get in arbitration. I don’t think it’s crazy to go that route with him. It buys them one more year to take stock and decide the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Generally the more UFA years you buy the more it costs, so it depends on the term. I think that matters more with DeAngelo because he's on pace to be among the elite offensive defenseman in terms of production. My guesses? Strome: 3 x 5 4 x 5.5 5 x 6 DeAngelo: 3 x 5.5 4 x 6 5 x 6.5 6 x 7 7 x 7.5 I'd do 3 years for Strome and 5 or 6 years for DeAngelo. That buys both until they are 30. They can get a nice contract when it's up, and the Rangers can pivot if need be. Makes sense for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No way ADA gets 7m. Trouba had played over 450 nhl games and has been established already as a d1 shut down d with offensive ability (whether we agree or not that was his label). ADA is considered offensive only and has played less than 200 nhl games. Nhl tenure does come into play a bit here. How much are 60-65 point d-men are worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 How much are 60-65 point d-men are worth? FWIW... https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2020/points-per-game/all/defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 They’d probably have to shelter his minutes though. And he’d be playing less minutes than Trouba and Fox moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No way ADA gets 7m. Trouba had played over 450 nhl games and has been established already as a d1 shut down d with offensive ability (whether we agree or not that was his label). ADA is considered offensive only and has played less than 200 nhl games. Nhl tenure does come into play a bit here.This. They bought UFA years from Trouba. I'd sign ADA to a deal that takes him right to UFA and then move him (or keep him if you're competing). If anything let the arbitrator decide. They always split middle anyway. Hopefully they learned from Trouba not to pay for one good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This. They bought UFA years from Trouba. I'd sign ADA to a deal that takes him right to UFA and then move him (or keep him if you're competing). If anything let the arbitrator decide. They always split middle anyway. Hopefully they learned from Trouba not to pay for one good year. You could say the same about not paying Strome for one good year. There shouldn't be any trepidation if they believe in the player. I'd be more confident in DeAngelo repeating consistently than Strome though to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 You could say the same about not paying Strome for one good year. There shouldn't be any trepidation if they believe in the player. I'd be more confident in DeAngelo repeating consistently than Strome though to be honest.The difference is I'm not talking about paying Strome top dollar and max term, which is what they gave Trouba and what was suggested for D'Angelo. I've always said no more that $5.5 no more than 4 years. Which even if Strome went back to being a 45ish point player is still a bearable and moveable contract (look at JT Miller). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Put Chytil with Panarin and we can get Strome for 4/$20m if we want him. With ADA I would go 4/$22m. His offense could be replaced. Arbitration is probably my real choice. Overpaying for guys getting prime opportunities while the roster develops is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Overpaying anyone, ever is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Overpaying anyone, ever is a mistake. It is much easier to make the mistake of overpaying guys that are putting up inflated ‘opportunity’ numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think we had a guy, does he wear #76?, who got a big contract based on one year and it did not turn out particularly well. Same thing with both of these guys. I'd have to review how arbitrators have been handling one good year cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 It is much easier to make the mistake of overpaying guys that are putting up inflated ‘opportunity’ numbers There's no reason to think they won't be in the same role in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 This. They bought UFA years from Trouba. I'd sign ADA to a deal that takes him right to UFA and then move him (or keep him if you're competing). If anything let the arbitrator decide. They always split middle anyway. Hopefully they learned from Trouba not to pay for one good year. I think you gotta follow the trend w/hard RFA deals for someone like DeAngelo. I believe he's 3 years from UFA, no? Give him 2 years, 11M - 4 M in 2020-21, 7M in 2021-22. It's quadrupling his pay next year, guaranteeing him a real damn good payday in 21, and ensuring a QO of 8.15M (I think) if they can't come to terms on a long term deal before then. 5.5 is a manageable cap hit for what he brings, I think. Strome is way harder. He's maybe figured it out, maybe not, but I'm of a space that if he does not want to do the whole 5m-ish thing, you either let him test the market or you let this one go to arbitration. If Strome can really cash in on this season, we could get a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd on someone else taking a huge risk on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Apropos not of the contract, but of the spirit of this thread: what do the RFA rights for Ryan Strome get us at the draft when you think about some of the more surprising teams likely to pick higher than expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think you gotta follow the trend w/hard RFA deals for someone like DeAngelo. I believe he's 3 years from UFA, no? Give him 2 years, 11M - 4 M in 2020-21, 7M in 2021-22. It's quadrupling his pay next year, guaranteeing him a real damn good payday in 21, and ensuring a QO of 8.15M (I think) if they can't come to terms on a long term deal before then. 5.5 is a manageable cap hit for what he brings, I think. I’m kind of on that train with ADA too. Love to have him here for a while, but if he’s their 3rd pairing RD, maybe a bridge of 2 years and a really nice increase is best. Much as I hate to mess with the chemistry on Strome and Panarin, I think Strome only gets a 1 year arb award and that’s it for him. As for what I’d be willing to do, Strome 4/$19 million for a $4.75 cap hit ADA 5/$28.75 million for a $5.75 cap hit But they probably go 1 year on Strome through arb and a bridge on ADA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Apropos not of the contract, but of the spirit of this thread: what do the RFA rights for Ryan Strome get us at the draft when you think about some of the more surprising teams likely to pick higher than expected?What teams have a superstar winger and need a reliable/smart center? Start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Strome- 4 years @ 4.5 - 5 mill DeAngelo- 3 years @ 3.75 - 4 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Strome 4/5 at max $5.34 Deangelo 2/3 (more if he chooses) at 3.5-4.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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