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    Sign Artemi Panarin and sorround him with 20 year old lottery tickets. That's what I would do, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Sign Artemi Panarin and sorround him with 20 year old lottery tickets. That's what I would do, for sure.
    As you balk at the idea of signing Strome...come on dude. Pick a lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Sign Artemi Panarin and sorround him with 20 year old lottery tickets. That's what I would do, for sure.
    Entirely plausible they think long and hard about signing ZIb long term as well. We'll see. But think some of this dead wood has to be off the books or close to it before they do it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I don't understand why they need him.

    They were playing some pretty good hockey when he was MIA half the season.

    He's usually MIA half the season.

    He's makes them better when she shows up but they've shown they can be good regardless.
    not really true at all

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    Losing Kreider creates a hole.
    But rather the hole than an albatross of a contract when they’re getting ready to pay younger guys

    Kreider and his agent are going to look at the market, they’re gonna see the recent deals that comparable players have gotten, and he’s going to shoot in that ballpark and someone will pay him

    He gets drastically less if he stays unless the Rangers go stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    Losing Kreider creates a hole.
    But rather the hole than an albatross of a contract when theyíre getting ready to pay younger guys

    Kreider and his agent are going to look at the market, theyíre gonna see the recent deals that comparable players have gotten, and heís going to shoot in that ballpark and someone will pay him

    He gets drastically less if he stays unless the Rangers go stupid
    Thatís fair. I understand the contract concerns. However like you said itís gonna be very difficult to replace what Kreider brings on and off the ice. I usually donít watch the ASG but it was nice seeing him having fun and also being professional when answering questions about the trade deadline. He does want to be here but that damn salary cap lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers723 View Post
    That’s fair. I understand the contract concerns. However like you said it’s gonna be very difficult to replace what Kreider brings on and off the ice. I usually don’t watch the ASG but it was nice seeing him having fun and also being professional when answering questions about the trade deadline. He does want to be here but that damn salary cap lol
    That’s the reality unfortunately
    No getting around the cap and bad contracts bite you in the ass.

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    You can't give 8 year deals to players approaching 30 who aren't elite.

    We already have Panarin, Trouba and will have Z locked up with term and won't really know what the last 1, 2 possibly 3 years of those deals will look like.

    I'm not giving a player who never scored 30 G and hit 50 points 2 times max years at a high AAV.

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    CK third in wheels competition. Tread on those wheels should last longer than those on the wheels of a typical 28 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    Thatís the reality unfortunately
    No getting around the cap and bad contracts bite you in the ass

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    Yeah it sucks. Bad contracts to Staal,Smith, and shattenkirk hurt us. Honestly that Trouba contract scares the hell out of me

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    This may just be me here. But has anyone else been under the impression that Kreider isn't all that much about finishing his years as a hockey player? After his blood clot, I think he stood back and realized he doesn't exactly NEED hockey.

    Maybe that works in the Rangers favor. Maybe he isn't looking for long term? Seems like he's not concerned about being moved and more geared towards the team getting it's shit together.

    I wouldn't doubt that he'd be open to a short term, team friendly deal. Maybe even AFTER/if they trade him before the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    This may just be me here. But has anyone else been under the impression that Kreider isn't all that much about finishing his years as a hockey player? After his blood clot, I think he stood back and realized he doesn't exactly NEED hockey.

    Maybe that works in the Rangers favor. Maybe he isn't looking for long term? Seems like he's not concerned about being moved and more geared towards the team getting it's shit together.

    I wouldn't doubt that he'd be open to a short term, team friendly deal. Maybe even AFTER/if they trade him before the deadline

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    Maybe. He is a smart guy. Maybe he isn’t looking for another decade in hockey

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    This may just be me here. But has anyone else been under the impression that Kreider isn't all that much about finishing his years as a hockey player? After his blood clot, I think he stood back and realized he doesn't exactly NEED hockey.

    Maybe that works in the Rangers favor. Maybe he isn't looking for long term? Seems like he's not concerned about being moved and more geared towards the team getting it's shit together.

    I wouldn't doubt that he'd be open to a short term, team friendly deal. Maybe even AFTER/if they trade him before the deadline.
    It's just you.

    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...urney-back-ice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No. Because it's about the team not Kreider and he's worth more in what you can get for him in a trade than paying him until 36.
    Would you sign him to a six years six mill a year , prevent 5.5 mill for six years

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty9 View Post
    Would you sign him to a six years six mill a year , prevent 5.5 mill for six years
    No. Both those deals take him to 35.

    No thanks.

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    Why would he pass up his one opportunity for a big payday, even if it takes him elsewhere?
    Much as he might love it here, as of this moment, he’d have a better shot at winning elsewhere. While the Rangers are building something nice here, there’s no guarantees this works out.
    And to take that chance, even if he loves it and believes in the plan, all while leaving money on the table is hard to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No. Both those deals take him to 35.

    No thanks.
    I'm with you 100%, Pete. I want no part of him. I think his best value to the Rangers now is what he can retrieve in return in a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    Why would he pass up his one opportunity for a big payday, even if it takes him elsewhere?
    Much as he might love it here, as of this moment, he’d have a better shot at winning elsewhere. While the Rangers are building something nice here, there’s no guarantees this works out.
    And to take that chance, even if he loves it and believes in the plan, all while leaving money on the table is hard to see
    Maybe he wants to stay here? Maybe he doesn't want to change his life around by moving? Maybe it's not about the money? I don't think he's a hockey lifer. He's seen careers cut short. He's come close to his own career being cut short. I think that's why he's kinda ho-hum about any extension or trade possibility. He's definitely matured more since that blood clot.

    I've been on the fence about him for a while now. Sometimes I can't stand him, then he goes on these tears where you think the team absolutely needs him. On one hand he can bring back a nice haul, but on the other maybe Zib isn't the player he has been since mainly playing with Kreider...

    Who plays along side Zib if he goes? They go back to being a one line team. Does Zib fall off a cliff production wise? Do they risk that?

    If they deal him, I'd want a comparable young player back. But who makes that kind of trade?

    Please don't say Kravstov can step in. Guy just got back to Hartford after not getting playing time in the KHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Maybe he wants to stay here? Maybe he doesn't want to change his life around by moving? Maybe it's not about the money? I don't think he's a hockey lifer. He's seen careers cut short. He's come close to his own career being cut short. I think that's why he's kinda ho-hum about any extension or trade possibility. He's definitely matured more since that blood clot.

    I've been on the fence about him for a while now. Sometimes I can't stand him, then he goes on these tears where you think the team absolutely needs him. On one hand he can bring back a nice haul, but on the other maybe Zib isn't the player he has been since mainly playing with Kreider...

    Who plays along side Zib if he goes? They go back to being a one line team. Does Zib fall off a cliff production wise? Do they risk that?

    If they deal him, I'd want a comparable young player back. But who makes that kind of trade?

    Please don't say Kravstov can step in. Guy just got back to Hartford after not getting playing time in the KHL.
    People relocate when they don’t particularly want to for an opportunity to make more money all the time. Happens in every profession. Guys say they “love” a place all the time. Then they take the biggest offer in July.
    And I’m pretty sure he is unmarried and has no children
    If he’s not a hockey lifer who has plans after hockey, an extra $10 million or so might come in handy.

    Maybe it’s not about those things for him, just saying that amount of money has a way of changing perspectives on things

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