Phil Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 None of this makes sense. Sure it does. You just don't like the idea. That doesn't make it illogical. Rangers cant take on another big salary, and Toronto doesnt want to lose Nylander for 3 FAs. Yes, they can, and says who? Not all free agents are equal, anyway. Especially in this kind of deal. Two of these three are RFA. I dont see Dubas moving Ceci. I think Ceci is one of the most overrated players in the league, so there must be some reason he's liked by management there. Yeah, because he's fucking terrible. Hence why they take him back to make the money work (maybe). Outside of Ceci or Nylander, Toronto has no salary to move. Kapanen/Johnnason will be used to get a RHD that fills the void. DeAngelo is closer to what they already have. Georgiev for a 2nd/3rd + RFA cap dump Or they'll just wait until July 1 and sign Pietrangelo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I would try to move Hank before Georgiev. He is young and really good, sending Hank to a contender is the least we can do for him, even if we have to eat some salary. Do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Even if you eat the max salary, he's still overpaid by 2 million, and has another year. He's certainly not going anywhere this year, and only him having a really big change of heart will make that an option next year. Just my view, but if he really cared for the Rangers the way he says he does, he would begin to engineer his departure a little early. Surely he sees the bind the FO is in. At the same time, he's not so bad that he's unplayable so maybe he think he can help, or maybe he wants to come back, in two years, as a 1 million dollar backup to whomever remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I think he given up on winning the big one. I think he just wants to play out his career here and get his number retired. It would be interesting to see what he does once his contract is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Even if you eat the max salary, he's still overpaid by 2 million, and has another year. He's certainly not going anywhere this year, and only him having a really big change of heart will make that an option next year. Just my view, but if he really cared for the Rangers the way he says he does, he would begin to engineer his departure a little early. Surely he sees the bind the FO is in. At the same time, he's not so bad that he's unplayable so maybe he think he can help, or maybe he wants to come back, in two years, as a 1 million dollar backup to whomever remains.What can he do? He's not going to leave salary on the table. He knows what he signed up for (rebuild) when they asked about his NMC before. And frankly he isn't stopping them from doing anything. They'd be in this goalie situation in a few years anyway with Georgie, Shesty, Lindbolm, Wall, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 What can he do? He's not going to leave salary on the table. He knows what he signed up for (rebuild) when they asked about his NMC before. And frankly he isn't stopping them from doing anything. They'd be in this goalie situation in a few years anyway with Georgie, Shesty, Lindbolm, Wall, etc. Not saying he retires, just gives to go ahead to move him for final year. With goaltending, I would say a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. I've always beat the Shestyorkin drum but I'd like to see how he looks in the NHL before making any decisions. They have depth down the chart but Huska, Wall or Lindbom are total lottery tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Not saying he retires, just gives to go ahead to move him for final year. With goaltending, I would say a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. I've always beat the Shestyorkin drum but I'd like to see how he looks in the NHL before making any decisions. They have depth down the chart but Huska, Wall or Lindbom are total lottery tickets.Decent goaltending isn't hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Not to derail the thread completely, but why aren't we talking about San Jose and Calgary as possible destinations? They've both got shit goaltending that's holding an otherwise playoff caliber team back too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Decent goaltending isn't hard to find. You're right, decent goaltending isn't, and that's fine as a backup, but we need to determine wjo the great one is of these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Even if you eat the max salary, he's still overpaid by 2 million, and has another year. He's certainly not going anywhere this year, and only him having a really big change of heart will make that an option next year. Just my view, but if he really cared for the Rangers the way he says he does, he would begin to engineer his departure a little early. Surely he sees the bind the FO is in. At the same time, he's not so bad that he's unplayable so maybe he think he can help, or maybe he wants to come back, in two years, as a 1 million dollar backup to whomever remains. A guy like him thinks he?s still the best option. That?s what make these guys who they are When he doesn?t, he?ll retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Not to derail the thread completely, but why aren't we talking about San Jose and Calgary as possible destinations? They've both got shit goaltending that's holding an otherwise playoff caliber team back too. I think we talked about SJ earlier this season. Don’t recall Calgary. But they have other issues, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Yeah I remember SJ. Because the fact the his sister lives in California came up. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Yeah I remember SJ. Because the fact the his sister lives in California came up. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk But if you are SJ, and jones isn’t going back to NY, would you rather take Lundqvist or Georgiev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I just think it's crazy to even throw Hank's name in any talks about moves that may happen. What happens when his contract is up is a different story. He's repeatedly said he's not interested in going anywhere. I would be extremely interested in seeing what Georgiev could bring back. I tend to think we over value our guys which is normal for every fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 This shouldn't even be a discussion. If you believe that Shestyerkin is the goalie of the future, then when you make room for him you trade the goalie that has the most trade value. That is Georgiev easily. Trading Lundvist and keeping Shesty and Georgiev is horrible asset management. Not to mention that if you are bringing along a young goalie to eventually take over and be a star in NYC then Lundqvist is the one you would want mentoring him and being his support system, not Georgiev. Lundqvist has been that guy for Georgiev and it's probably a huge reason he is where he is today. Lundqvist is a great teammate and has been that guy for a number of young goalies that have come through here and pumped up their trade value. You trade Georgiev, they will trade Georgiev, and they will get a very big return for him. The only question is when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Oilers deal a Goalie to TOR for some cheese, we deal Georgiev to EDM... Smith might not waive though since the west is wide open. Grubauer / Dubnyk battling injuries so far all year...Dell struggling, plenty of options if you include within the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 This shouldn't even be a discussion. If you believe that Shestyerkin is the goalie of the future, then when you make room for him you trade the goalie that has the most trade value. That is Georgiev easily. Trading Lundvist and keeping Shesty and Georgiev is horrible asset management. Not to mention that if you are bringing along a young goalie to eventually take over and be a star in NYC then Lundqvist is the one you would want mentoring him and being his support system, not Georgiev. Lundqvist has been that guy for Georgiev and it's probably a huge reason he is where he is today. Lundqvist is a great teammate and has been that guy for a number of young goalies that have come through here and pumped up their trade value. You trade Georgiev, they will trade Georgiev, and they will get a very big return for him. The only question is when.Agree with the post but don't agree with them getting a big return. When's the last time a goalie got a big return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Some are severely overrating the value of a backup goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 This shouldn't even be a discussion. If you believe that Shestyerkin is the goalie of the future, then when you make room for him you trade the goalie that has the most trade value. That is Georgiev easily. Trading Lundvist and keeping Shesty and Georgiev is horrible asset management. Not to mention that if you are bringing along a young goalie to eventually take over and be a star in NYC then Lundqvist is the one you would want mentoring him and being his support system, not Georgiev. Lundqvist has been that guy for Georgiev and it's probably a huge reason he is where he is today. Lundqvist is a great teammate and has been that guy for a number of young goalies that have come through here and pumped up their trade value. You trade Georgiev, they will trade Georgiev, and they will get a very big return for him. The only question is when. I think you have this on the mark, my good man. I just don't think Georgie on his own would bring back a huge return. I agree that decent goaltending in the NHL right now is fairly easy to find, and Georgie is also going to be an RFA at year's end which means he's going to cost more to keep for whomever gets him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Agree with the post but don't agree with them getting a big return. When's the last time a goalie got a big return? Grubauer + cap dump got a 2nd. Martin Jones got Kuraly + 1st Varlamov got a 1st + 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Grubauer + cap dump got a 2nd. Martin Jones got Kuraly + 1st Varlamov got a 1st + 2nd Varlamov was a bonafide starter. I think we should be happy with a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Varlamov was a bonafide starter. I think we should be happy with a 2nd. Neuvrith was their starter, Holtby was the prospect/backup, then they signed Vokoun that summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Neuvrith was their starter, Holtby was the prospect/backup, then they signed Vokoun that summer.Hm, you're right. He had pedigree though. Don't see Georgie getting that. It was also 9 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I'd be happy with a #2 for 2020....for Georgie alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I'd be happy with a #2 for 2020....for Georgie alone. If that's all we get then that's all we get, but I wouldn't be happy about it. At this point in time, I need more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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