ASH1962 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 You're not making any sense, but I'll entertain it. 1. I'd never blame a player for playing the way the coach wants them to play. 2. 2/3 of last night's team will be in the A or ECHL next week. Still no basis for the Quinn hate. It's only been one season, and one with a shit roster. I'm not understanding the point. This, plus Sam and Joe flat out said "He is a good coach" LOL. I recall Don LaGreca and Greg Buttle saying the same about Todd Bowles LMFAO. Can't tell anything yet, however, I do have my doubts as well. Oh and they should have bought out Henrik instead of Slowandkirk but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Guys don?t stand out in these situations when they are trying to play to a person instead of playing their game. And I?ll criticize my mom for shit, doesn?t mean I hate her. He?s still learning, too, but I don?t want him to neuter kids.I still don't really get it. Camp is about learning the system and structure. They clearly have defensive issues. The offense should flow freely. Who's neutered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Guys don’t stand out in these situations when they are trying to play to a person instead of playing their game. leaving the Mom part out of it. I don't understand the above, not even a little. On making cuts today and getting down to only those that have a chance to make it, YES please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Let the kids play hockey and show what they can do. Guys are too tight trying to impress the coaching staff and have all looked like shit. Lockerroom issue that needs to be addressed. Hopefully it looks better with cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Holy crap. Chytil was 3 for 15 on faceoffs. I know people play down the significance of FOs, but posession is supposed to have value and to relinquish it in 80% of the opportunities is not good. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Huh?+1 lol I'm not sure how anyone can possible deduce this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I think perhaps what Josh means is that young players will generally do what they're told instead of improvising when the opportunity presents itself. Not necessarily a correct example, but let's say the coach is saying they gotta get the puck in deep. Young players may be chipping the puck deep even in situations where they would naturally be carrying the puck in and making plays happen with their talent, in fear of being put on the coach's shitlist if it doesn't work out. I'm not saying this is what's happening, but I could see young players so focused on following "rules" per say that they lose their ability to adapt and be creative in certain situations as they present themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah, pretty much. Thanks. Didn’t think it was a hard thing to notice or understand, with the exception of Statler and Waldorf over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I think perhaps what Josh means is that young players will generally do what they're told instead of improvising when the opportunity presents itself. Not necessarily a correct example, but let's say the coach is saying they gotta get the puck in deep. Young players may be chipping the puck deep even in situations where they would naturally be carrying the puck in and making plays happen with their talent, in fear of being put on the coach's shitlist if it doesn't work out. I'm not saying this is what's happening, but I could see young players so focused on following "rules" per say that they lose their ability to adapt and be creative in certain situations as they present themselves.Yeah, pretty much. Thanks. Didn?t think it was a hard thing to notice or understand, with the exception of Statler and Waldorf over hereIt's not hard to understand. It's just impossible to prove that this is actually happening from TV. Especially since I doubt anyone here has watched the youngsters in that lineup enough to know "their game". Then to take it further as a "locker room issue" is laughable. Also, let's not kid ourselves here that NHL level coaches make blanket statements like "get it deep". It's all situational. Pucks need to get deep when there isn't a play at the other teams blue line. Don't force it. Whatever. There's a reason there's an iPad behind the bench and players are coached in real time. This isn't pee wee hockey in Rochester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 It's not hard to understand. It's just impossible to prove that this is actually happening from TV. Especially since I doubt anyone here has watched the youngsters in that lineup enough to know "their game". Then to take it further as a "locker room issue" is laughable. Also, let's not kid ourselves here that NHL level coaches make blanket statements like "get it deep". It's all situational. Pucks need to get deep when there isn't a play at the other teams blue line. Don't force it. Whatever. There's a reason there's an iPad behind the bench and players are coached in real time. This isn't pee wee hockey in Rochester. All of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 go figure guys that want to prove themselves have to impress their bosses all while fitting into their bosses system. What kind of messed up world are we living in? The injustice is horrifying? #trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 It's not hard to understand. It's just impossible to prove that this is actually happening from TV. Especially since I doubt anyone here has watched the youngsters in that lineup enough to know "their game". Then to take it further as a "locker room issue" is laughable. Also, let's not kid ourselves here that NHL level coaches make blanket statements like "get it deep". It's all situational. Pucks need to get deep when there isn't a play at the other teams blue line. Don't force it. Whatever. There's a reason there's an iPad behind the bench and players are coached in real time. This isn't pee wee hockey in Rochester. Agree for the most part that we can't know based on tv. It's just speculation. But that doesn't disprove his theory either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckrash Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I liked the way he played. The two deflections weren't his fault. He looked confident. NYCKrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 go figure guys that want to prove themselves have to impress their bosses all while fitting into their bosses system. What kind of messed up world are we living in? The injustice is horrifying? #trolling Well I?m sorry you don?t understand, but there are a handful of guys trying to reinvent themselves in 1 week, and they look terrible doing it. If that?s a system, then it?s too rigid. You need to allow players to play to their strengths. Wth this creative and skilled group, we can?t afford to see every player get Namestnikoved and forced to play a new style. It wasn?t good for the team, it wasn?t good for the player. You have to allow and Encourage players to do what their good at. Too many of these guys are abandoning what got them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Well I’m sorry you don’t understand, but there are a handful of guys trying to reinvent themselves in 1 week, and they look terrible doing it. If that’s a system, then it’s too rigid. You need to allow players to play to their strengths. Wth this creative and skilled group, we can’t afford to see every player get Namestnikoved and forced to play a new style. It wasn’t good for the team, it wasn’t good for the player. You have to allow and Encourage players to do what their good at. Too many of these guys are abandoning what got them here. so the coach and current system need to go so guys can play to their strengths? maybe guys like Nameswhatever just aren't that good? and/or we're expecting way too much from a lot of these guys that just aren't good enough at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It's not hard to understand. It's just impossible to prove that this is actually happening from TV. Especially since I doubt anyone here has watched the youngsters in that lineup enough to know "their game". Then to take it further as a "locker room issue" is laughable. Also, let's not kid ourselves here that NHL level coaches make blanket statements like "get it deep". It's all situational. Pucks need to get deep when there isn't a play at the other teams blue line. Don't force it. Whatever. There's a reason there's an iPad behind the bench and players are coached in real time. This isn't pee wee hockey in Rochester. I’m familiar with everyone from last night, other than Jones and Robertson. And one of the things I can spot pretty easily is when a guy is over thinking. I played that way growing up, so many all the tapes made it easier to spot (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 so the coach and current system need to go so guys can play to their strengths? maybe guys like Nameswhatever just aren't that good? and/or we're expecting way too much from a lot of these guys that just aren't good enough at this point. The defensive system and coach can go. I like Quinn, I like a lot of what evdemands from players. I just think he needs to allow players to play to their strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I?m familiar with everyone from last night, other than Jones and Robertson. And one of the things I can spot pretty easily is when a guy is over thinking. I played that way growing up, so many all the tapes made it easier to spot (?)Look I have a lot of respect for your point of view. I just don't agree with killing the coach this early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not killing, it’s a flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The only flaw I see is there's no discernable system or identity for this team... So I'm not really sure how anyone can say they're being overcoached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckrash Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The team is so new and evolving that they will find their own identity. The first PSG looked great with the crisp passing, 2nd and 3rd looked lost. They need to start to form chemistry and feed of each other. With only 3 games from 10/3 to 10/15 they need to use this time wisely. - NYCKrash....LGR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The only flaw I see is there's no discernable system or identity for this team... So I'm not really sure how anyone can say they're being overcoached. Well, good news. Quinn sees something, and is unhappy with it. Tweets today indicating that he was yelling at the guys during todays first practice session, lets hope its worked out the next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The defensive system and coach can go. I like Quinn, I like a lot of what evdemands from players. I just think he needs to allow players to play to their strengths.Quinn pretty much made your point at about 3:20. today.https://mobile.twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1176231796075368451 Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 That's not what I heard at all. What I heard is Quinn saying that people aren't buying into his system... People trying to do too much on their own... that's actually the opposite of what I thought Josh was saying. Quinn pretty much made your point at about 3:20. today.https://mobile.twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1176231796075368451 Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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