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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    It doesn’t and I agree with his contract and your description of him. I’m just bringing it up because all these guys on elcs don’t have to defined as success or busts at age 22 or younger. Many of them could and probably will fall in between. When they do the rangers may have to decide on players who are still babies. That’s all. Many are posting here the black and white nature of them being either great and it being a good problem or them being bad and not having to worry about paying them because they are a bust. It’s naive as you say. It won’t be so black and white.
    Which is why bridge deals exist. You're still not showing what the problem is.

    Maybe spend 5 minutes on Cap Friendly like I did and create a roster. I showed it was completely doable to make a 2021 roster where some players like Buch and ADA got overpaid and we still had plenty of room.

    No one else has. People throw around half thought numbers. Show the math...

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    Dunny did exactly that and you blew it off. Why waste my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Dunny did exactly that and you blew it off. Why waste my time.
    For maybe the tenth time in this thread... He did not.

    If he did, please link me to the post with a Cap Friendly chart. Not a random list of numbers with no cap associated to it.

    I'll save you time. There isn't one.

    Show the grid with the math.

    I'll save you the time. You can't. Because there is no cap trouble.

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    Cap $85m

    Panarin 11.6
    Zibanejad 5.35
    Buch 5.5
    Chytil 5
    Anderson 3
    Howden 3
    Kravtsov 1
    Kakko 1
    Trouba 8
    Skeij 5.25
    Fox 1
    2 goalies 8
    Buyouts 2.54
    Bonuses 3.5

    Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.
    21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

    The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    21-22

    Cap $85m

    Panarin 11.6
    Zibanejad 5.35
    Buch 5.5
    Chytil 5
    Anderson 3
    Howden 3
    Kravtsov 1
    Kakko 1
    Trouba 8
    Skeij 5.25
    Fox 1
    2 goalies 8
    Buyouts 2.54
    Bonuses 3.5

    Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.
    21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

    The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.
    That doesn’t look like much of a cap problem to me. The roster would be drastically worse without Panarin and Trouba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    21-22

    Cap $85m

    Panarin 11.6
    Zibanejad 5.35
    Buch 5.5
    Chytil 5
    Anderson 3
    Howden 3
    Kravtsov 1
    Kakko 1
    Trouba 8
    Skeij 5.25
    Fox 1
    2 goalies 8
    Buyouts 2.54
    Bonuses 3.5

    Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.
    21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

    The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.
    Chytil making 5 means we don't have to upgrade center.

    Why are our 2 goalies making 8? Just asking who they are and their hit.

    Again, all up against a very conservative $85 cap.

    At that point you also probably move out Skjei.

    Not seeing the problem.

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    I think Skjei gets exposed in the expansion draft unless he really takes big steps over the next two seasons. By that point Miller should be making his debut and at least one or two of Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Reunanen, etc. should hopefully be pushing for higher roster spots with considerable pro experience. Wouldn’t shock me if Robertson also enters the running.

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    2022-23 if everyone goes off

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)
    Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)



    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $109,762,301
    Cap Space: -$19,762,301
    Lias Andersson for #AJT2019

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    "Average performance" salaries

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($4,250,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($3,600,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($825,000) - Cristoval Nieves ($1,400,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($8,600,000) - Filip Chytil ($3,000,000) - Karl Henriksson ($870,000) - Brett Howden ($2,500,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($2,000,000) - Morgan Barron ($800,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($2,500,000) - Leevi Aaltonen ($825,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Adam Fox ($3,000,000) - Joey Keane ($809,166)
    Left: Brady Skjei ($5,250,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($1,200,000) - Tarmo Reunanen ($809,167)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($2,200,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($1,500,000)

    BUYOUTS (3)
    Kevin Shattenkirk ($1,433,333) - Dan Girardi ($1,111,111) - Brad Richards ($0)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $69,050,634
    Cap Space: $20,949,366
    Lias Andersson for #AJT2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    2022-23 if everyone goes off

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)
    Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)



    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $109,762,301
    Cap Space: -$19,762,301

    This has $45m for just the Wings. That will never happen with the cap at $90m.

    If everyone goes off do we get at least one Cup? Would be a real nice problem to have with all those big salaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    2022-23 if everyone goes off

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)
    Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)



    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $109,762,301
    Cap Space: -$19,762,301
    Sure, but if Chytil, Howden, and Andersson are all worthy centers are we going to pay Zibanejad 10.7m at 29 years old on a long term deal? Brendan Smith going off is good stuff, but I'm not even going to pretend that happens and he gets re-signed and for the same caphit as a 3rd line winger.

    For starters, Zib/Skjei/goalie out in this scenario. You can't keep both Georgiev and Shesterkin. At some point they'll have to make a choice on that. Probably once Shesterkin's entry level deal is up, or sooner if either one of them pushes the other out of the way.

    The 3rd and 4th lines make way too much money. Buchnevich and/or Lemieux gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I may be off on this but what I find generally amusing is that many who clamoured for a TRUE rebuild got off the wagon at the first hint of a sexy UFA. Now, it seems like rebuild has gone off a little half cocked to me, there's doesn't seem to be an obvious plan up the middle other than to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks.

    Instead, they blew their wad on a winger, for the only reason that he was immediately available.
    he's just one player. I don't get why you are blowing a lid over one guy. he doesn't make or break the team. in 3-4 years he'll still be in his prime

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Sure, but if Chytil, Howden, and Andersson are all worthy centers are we going to pay Zibanejad 10.7m at 29 years old on a long term deal? Brendan Smith going off is good stuff, but I'm not even going to pretend that happens and he gets re-signed and for the same caphit as a 3rd line winger.

    For starters, Zib/Skjei/goalie out in this scenario. You can't keep both Georgiev and Shesterkin. At some point they'll have to make a choice on that. Probably once Shesterkin's entry level deal is up, or sooner if either one of them pushes the other out of the way.

    The 3rd and 4th lines make way too much money. Buchnevich and/or Lemieux gone.
    You should pick Door #2, then.
    Lias Andersson for #AJT2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    2022-23 if everyone goes off

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)
    Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)



    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $109,762,301
    Cap Space: -$19,762,301
    You resigned Smith and gave him $150k raise to be the 13th forward. I like it. You're daring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    "Average performance" salaries

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($4,250,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($3,600,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($825,000) - Cristoval Nieves ($1,400,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($8,600,000) - Filip Chytil ($3,000,000) - Karl Henriksson ($870,000) - Brett Howden ($2,500,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($2,000,000) - Morgan Barron ($800,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($2,500,000) - Leevi Aaltonen ($825,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Adam Fox ($3,000,000) - Joey Keane ($809,166)
    Left: Brady Skjei ($5,250,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($1,200,000) - Tarmo Reunanen ($809,167)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($2,200,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($1,500,000)

    BUYOUTS (3)
    Kevin Shattenkirk ($1,433,333) - Dan Girardi ($1,111,111) - Brad Richards ($0)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $69,050,634
    Cap Space: $20,949,366
    If the ELC's "go off", Buch and Zib won't be here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    You resigned Smith and gave him $150k raise to be the 13th forward. I like it. You're daring.
    And overpaying almost everyone else....ADA ballsy, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    2022-23 if everyone goes off

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)
    Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)
    Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)
    Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor Hájek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)



    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    Salary Cap: $90,000,000
    Cap Hit: $109,762,301
    Cap Space: -$19,762,301
    If Kravtsov and Kakko earn themself those contracts there would be no need for Buch (saved 6m), Smith is obviously gone (saved 4.5m), DeAngelo at 6,6m is a big lol. Georgiev at 5,6m is also never happening (unless he goes off and Shesty busts, but then we wont pay him 2,8m). One of Chytil, Lias and Howden will be traded if they all "work out". That roster is paying the 3rd line 6m, 3.6m and 4.5m, that is never happening. There will be 3/4th liners at ELC contracts or cheap UFA signings.

    Like seriously, there is no cap problems here.

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    Tell you who you aren't trading in three years, the two guys we just signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Tell you who you aren't trading in three years, the two guys we just signed.
    If it came to that, there will probably be a couple of compliance buyouts to use in a new CBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Tell you who you aren't trading in three years, the two guys we just signed.
    cant make an omelette ….blah blah blah

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