The Dude Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) Red Wings place Zadina on waivers https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2672875 Wow. They really haven't liked what that kid has brought to the table. If only the Rangers had cap space, I'd say take a chance on him. With 2 more seasons at 1.85, I think someone claims him. I don't think anyone thought this kid would be a bust in any way on draft day. Seemed like a sure thing. Just wow. Edited July 3, 2023 by The Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I'm surprised they couldn't get at least a late round pick for him. Strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 $1.85M for a guy that has failed to live up to expectations in a flat cap world. Why give up an asset when you can now have him for free? He definitely doesn’t clear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 RW too…… another Filip? Why the hell not? Cap wise we have til opening day to figure out the cap. The 1.8m won’t be too much of an issue with the 37 journeymen we signed that will go down to the AHL. Let him in camp and if he doesn’t work out, put him on waivers agsin. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Keirik said: RW too…… another Filip? Why the hell not? Cap wise we have til opening day to figure out the cap. The 1.8m won’t be too much of an issue with the 37 journeymen we signed that will go down to the AHL. Let him in camp and if he doesn’t work out, put him on waivers agsin. I had a similar thought. Was he not a teammate of Chytil at one point? Maybe the work well together? Worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Keirik said: RW too…… another Filip? Why the hell not? Cap wise we have til opening day to figure out the cap. The 1.8m won’t be too much of an issue with the 37 journeymen we signed that will go down to the AHL. Let him in camp and if he doesn’t work out, put him on waivers agsin. There’s no space without a trade, but I’d take Zadina and Motte with 1.5m to spare over Goodrow and Pitlick. So trade Goodrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 If memory serves me right aren’t teams allowed to be 10% over the cap up to right before the season starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: If memory serves me right aren’t teams allowed to be 10% over the cap up to right before the season starts? You need to be cap complaint by the time the first game is played, IIRC. Either that, or by the time your own first puck drops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 3 hours ago, RangersIn7 said: I had a similar thought. Was he not a teammate of Chytil at one point? Maybe the work well together? Worth a look. Teammates yes, but if I recall correctly he played with Necas and Chytil was 2C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Pick him up. See how he is at camp. Send him down or someone else if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Cleared waivers per Seravalli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 4, 2023 Author Share Posted July 4, 2023 https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2023/07/04/detroit-red-wings-nhl-filip-zadina-clears-waivers-staying-with-team/70381428007/ Sounds like a rough relationship. In other stories about the situation Yzerman comes off as kind of a dick and is making it personal in talking about his contract. https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2023/07/red-wings-tried-to-accommodate-filip-zadinas-request-for-fresh-start.html I'm guessing Yzerman didn't want any part of retention to accommodate a trade? Even at half? Hopefully the kid can put it together in the AHL and doesn't pull a Kravtsov (go home). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Opportunity missed. I’m sorry. I like Drury. I really do. But he has this weird hoarder infatuation with veteran grit that borders on unhealthy on day 1 of free agency but doesn’t see how taking a flyer on a 6th overall that you can just throw through waivers at any time is worth taking a stab at? but thank god we signed 21 Jed ortmeyers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Keirik said: Opportunity missed. I’m sorry. I like Drury. I really do. But he has this weird hoarder infatuation with veteran grit that borders on unhealthy on day 1 of free agency but doesn’t see how taking a flyer on a 6th overall that you can just throw through waivers at any time is worth taking a stab at? but thank god we signed 21 Jed ortmeyers. I mean neither did any other GM. He's almost 24. He's not a 4th liner. He's not a better option than Vesey or Goodrow for the 3rd line. There's nothing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Keirik said: Opportunity missed. I’m sorry. I like Drury. I really do. But he has this weird hoarder infatuation with veteran grit that borders on unhealthy on day 1 of free agency but doesn’t see how taking a flyer on a 6th overall that you can just throw through waivers at any time is worth taking a stab at? but thank god we signed 21 Jed ortmeyers. There's about a $600k buried cap hit for him to play in the AHL. That's probably why Drury didn't want to risk it. If he cleared waivers later then that's wasted cap they don't have. I don't understand how no other team would want to see about a change of scenery for the guy. Like Chicago? What do they have to lose? Edited July 4, 2023 by BrooksBurner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Keirik said: Opportunity missed. I’m sorry. I like Drury. I really do. But he has this weird hoarder infatuation with veteran grit that borders on unhealthy on day 1 of free agency but doesn’t see how taking a flyer on a 6th overall that you can just throw through waivers at any time is worth taking a stab at? but thank god we signed 21 Jed ortmeyers. To be fair, the only one who has a chance at NHL ice with us is Belzile and maybe Riley Nash in an emergency. 30 GP 3 G 4 A 7 P 31 GP 6 G 8 A 14 P 61 GP 7 G 9 A 16 P Which one's Pitlick, Belzile, and Zadina from last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Long live the King said: I mean neither did any other GM. He's almost 24. He's not a 4th liner. He's not a better option than Vesey or Goodrow for the 3rd line. There's nothing there. Pretty much this. He's another guy who just doesn't do anything well at the NHL level, no size, no speed, decent shot, but nothing else. He's a 30 point player, don't we have enough 30 point third liner bust potential players on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Cash or Czech said: To be fair, the only one who has a chance at NHL ice with us is Belzile and maybe Riley Nash in an emergency. 30 GP 3 G 4 A 7 P 31 GP 6 G 8 A 14 P 61 GP 7 G 9 A 16 P Which one's Pitlick, Belzile, and Zadina from last season? Thats all fien and very true but one is a 6th overall, 23 year old, that had injuries and much higher potential than the others.what he did last year to me isn't as important as what he csn do with a fresh start that he asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Long live the King said: I mean neither did any other GM. He's almost 24. He's not a 4th liner. He's not a better option than Vesey or Goodrow for the 3rd line. There's nothing there. And you know this how? He was a high draft pick and he's been in one organization. There is more potentially there than there is with washed up NHLers. Again, it's incredibly low risk. I'm less worried about what other organizations pass up on and more interested in what mine does. The only downside would be as @BrooksBurner pointed out is a 600k cap space if he clears waivers with us. To me, that's worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Let's not act like anyone missed out on anything important. We have terrible top 10 draft picks that we should be trying to get rid of, there's no reason to stockpile anyone else's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Keirik said: Thats all fien and very true but one is a 6th overall, 23 year old, that had injuries and much higher potential than the others.what he did last year to me isn't as important as what he csn do with a fresh start that he asked for. While I see your point, his full season the year prior underperformed Jimmy Vesey last year. I’m sure there’s a player somewhere, but Vesey costs half and does the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: While I see your point, his full season the year prior underperformed Jimmy Vesey last year. I’m sure there’s a player somewhere, but Vesey costs half and does the same You’re not giving him a chance to be a 4th line guy. You’re giving him a chance because he’s a 6th overall that was projected to go top 3 and all scouting reports said elite level abilities. Now I understand that scouts get it wrong, but this guy was highly touted by many AND he literally cost nothing to get. It didn’t work out in Detroit. I can’t say I know the reason why. But he’s young, has the pedigree, and is worth the risk in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Keirik said: You’re not giving him a chance to be a 4th line guy. You’re giving him a chance because he’s a 6th overall that was projected to go top 3 and all scouting reports said elite level abilities. Now I understand that scouts get it wrong, but this guy was highly touted by many AND he literally cost nothing to get. It didn’t work out in Detroit. I can’t say I know the reason why. But he’s young, has the pedigree, and is worth the risk in my opinion. It costs about $1.1M in cap space over a guy like Vesey who is a third liner and can play up, and about $800k in unburiable cap hit if he doesn’t pan out. We don’t have $800k to spare, and getting rid of him is apparently harder than it looks. We only have just under $7M to re-sign Laf and Miller and be cap compliant with 13-7-2 I do get the argument from the perspective of a guy like Tolvanen last year who got a change of scenery in Seattle and found his scoring groove. All the Wings fans I’ve seen talk about how he’s defensively responsible but just can’t put the puck in the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Guys like this get passed over because they are drafted to be scorers, but don't score, and can't *really* play roles lower in the lineup that GMs feel are worth paying them to do. Yzerman is largely considered one of the smartest GMs in the league. If he's putting Zadina on waivers, it's for a reason — namely that he couldn't even find a trade because the market for the player is basically nonexistent. In a vacuum, if you were asking me who would you rather have on your third or fourth line, Zadina or Vesey, I'm taking Vesey because I know he can play that role. Zadina, defensively responsible as he is, kinda can't. He doesn't bring any other elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 23 hours ago, The Dude said: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2023/07/04/detroit-red-wings-nhl-filip-zadina-clears-waivers-staying-with-team/70381428007/ Sounds like a rough relationship. In other stories about the situation Yzerman comes off as kind of a dick and is making it personal in talking about his contract. https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2023/07/red-wings-tried-to-accommodate-filip-zadinas-request-for-fresh-start.html I'm guessing Yzerman didn't want any part of retention to accommodate a trade? Even at half? Hopefully the kid can put it together in the AHL and doesn't pull a Kravtsov (go home). Yzerman has a 40 year reputation as being a dick and not being particularly well liked. Scotty Bowman almost traded him to Ottawa for God’s sake. I worked for years with a guy that knew him. Personally. I can give you his name in a private message. This guy, a former profess Player, knew him and had many many friends that played with him. He was not a popular player amongst teammates or around the league in general. Very arrogant and obnoxious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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