Ideal Ratio of Coach v. Team = Success!

[4EverRangerFrank]

What is your view about how much a coach contributes to a team's success versus the team itself? I recall Sullivan being critiqued following his move to uber-talented PIT and how people said 'anybody' could have won with that team of guys. I'm not so sure about that.

[josh]

A strong leader can overcome bad coaching, and sometimes bad coaching can overcome lack of leadership. Skill can’t overcome both.

 

I think this team needs a strong team leader more than it needs a strong coach.

[Albatrosss]

coach is a key ingredient for team's success but not at 80%

[The Dude]

Coach comes up with the game plan and puts the players on the ice. 60% coaching due to this alone.

[Jdog99]

60% coaching. Hockey is such a fluid game, the way all 5 players work together on the ice is way more impactful than the individual talent level each guy has alone - at least at the pro level where you can only fall so far behind with a salary cap in place.

[Tomas Sandstrom]

Coach is the Leader (or at least should be)...huge in helping setup the culture of a team (Good culture is important)...then the obvious Preparation and X's and O's part of the game. Game management is important, player management....I'd say Coaching is about 40%.

 

Even the best coaches in the world can't win without the players.

 

However, bad coaches can create an environment where it's impossible to win, even for the most talented teams.

[Keirik]

I think this question cannot be answered properly without certain known variables. Most notably what kind of team do you have? A vet team needs far less coaching than our team for example. For us, I’d say 40%

[Gravesy]

It's completely situational, like Keirik said. The age profile matters. The level of talent matters.

It's not football, but coaching does matter more than you might think. The Islanders is the easy example; you have a middling coach on that team and there's a good to fair chance they don't even make the playoffs.

[4EverRangerFrank]

Vegas during their birthing season. Man those guys came together under the banner, “Nobody wanted us!” Wonder who was their coach?

[Albatrosss]

Vegas is doing pretty well without Galant too

[siddious]

Vegas is doing pretty well without Galant too

 

Yes but they’ve also improved that team

 

 

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[BrooksBurner]

Yes but they’ve also improved that team

 

 

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Pietrangelo was a gift. StL fucked that up so badly. Krug over Pietrangelo is a franchise altering move, in a bad way.

[siddious]

Pietrangelo was a gift. StL fucked that up so badly. Krug over Pietrangelo is a franchise altering move, in a bad way.

 

Yea I have no idea what they were thinking.

[ThirtyONE]

Josh mentioned it, but leadership is vitally important to any organization. The people at the top are wholly responsible for the results of those under them. That's why Buffalo sucks year after year with different GMs and different coaches. It's not the players. It's the owner at the top who can't figure it out.

 

The coach, however, is the defacto leader of the team on a day to day basis and therefore they play a massive role in the team's success. If they don't have the trust of the team, you can only hope you have a good leader in the locker room (like Messier in 94) that can take over that role. But that's a lot to ask. There's only one Messier.

 

It's not about X's and O's, it's not about implementing a system (although a good system is nice), it's more about getting the most out of your players.

[jsm7302]

Culture and Environment. I say 50%.

Coach sets up culture. Captains lead the group and the group makes the environment. It can only be setup with a strong leader who gets buy in from his team. Look at the masses that want Brindamour. It isnt because he is a savage at his age. It is the culture he breeds in his team and everyone that surrounds them.

 

We got the right coach. We have the right GM. We have the right talent. We have the right youth. We have the right supporting cast.

 

We are missing on ice leadership and an edge, never give up mentality, warriors mentality. Put that in place and voila. We at least see the first round next year!

[Keirik]

Josh mentioned it, but leadership is vitally important to any organization. The people at the top are wholly responsible for the results of those under them. That's why Buffalo sucks year after year with different GMs and different coaches. It's not the players. It's the owner at the top who can't figure it out.

 

The coach, however, is the defacto leader of the team on a day to day basis and therefore they play a massive role in the team's success. If they don't have the trust of the team, you can only hope you have a good leader in the locker room (like Messier in 94) that can take over that role. But that's a lot to ask. There's only one Messier.

 

It's not about X's and O's, it's not about implementing a system (although a good system is nice), it's more about getting the most out of your players.

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[The Dude]

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Lmao. What an awful first name.

[siddious]

According to Wikipedia;

 

“Messier's brother Mitch also played in the NHL, and they are cousins of Mark Messier”

 

So there’s actually 3 of them

 

 

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[4EverRangerFrank]

We are missing on ice leadership and an edge, never give up mentality, warriors mentality. Put that in place and voila. We at least see the first round next year!

 

Agreeing here 1000%!

 

Why is it that watching Isles, TB, Vegas...it just seems like other teams have that hunger that we cannot muster? Maybe the optics of playoff hockey make it more pronounced but the physicality and speed of these games leave me wanting more from our boys. Regular season toughness; difficult to play against. Unless we can score 5-6 goals per game with consistency, we have to become a more physically balanced squad.

[ThirtyONE]

:(

 

 

 

only one *Mark* Messier hahaha. Poor bastard.

[Keirik]

I met him on the elevator once at msg lol. I did not ask for an autograph.

[Ozzy]

I met him on the elevator once at msg lol. I did not ask for an autograph.

 

You gave him a ticket for jaywalking instead...:rofl:

 

Where the hell ya been, man!! LOL