Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 It kills me that he covers the Rangers for the Athletic. Like really? He’s the best they could find? :palm: Nope. Just had a big following. They wanted Brooks, and he said no, so they took Carp instead because he was the next biggest established name still working the beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Nope. Just had a big following. They wanted Brooks, and he said no, so they took Carp instead because he was the next biggest established name still working the beat. That's funny. Neither guy seems to capture what the Athletic is trying to do. They've got a specific vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I think Buchnevich and DeAngelo are the 2 best examples for players Quinn developed. He put them in a position to be successful, and I've given credit to him for it in the past. (but its also frustrating that it took so long, and the same thing is happening to the next set of prospects) But, (maybe not his fault) again, he was supposed to be this kid whisperer... these guys are in their mid 20s. 1 is gone, and we're about to be to the point where Buch will be gone (because they are still rebuilding because no one else progressed) But.. Chytil has progressed, sucks he got hurt. Kakko has progressed, sucks he's been in and out of COVID protocol. The points will come if he keeps playing like he has been. Laf is still a teenager and 28 games into his pro career. Gauthier has progressed as well, it's on him to stop taking bad penalties at bad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 But.. Chytil has progressed, sucks he got hurt. Kakko has progressed, sucks he's been in and out of COVID protocol. The points will come if he keeps playing like he has been. Laf is still a teenager and 28 games into his pro career. Gauthier has progressed as well, it's on him to stop taking bad penalties at bad times. Literally all of these guys have been disappointing, with the exception of Chytil in 5 games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Literally all of these guys have been disappointing, with the exception of Chytil in 5 games this season. Disappointing is related to your expectations. Progressed means they are better this year than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Disappointing is related to your expectations. Progressed means they are better this year than last year. Ok, Carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Ok, Carp.Cool, good talk. Sent from my SM-G960U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Disappointing is related to your expectations. Progressed means they are better this year than last year. I don't think your points are without merit but this is not the metric for success in developing the two biggest prospects in Rangers history. Getting better each season is not good enough. Cornerstone franchise pieces is what these must become or it's an absolute failure. Neither has shown even a glimpse of that potential. Yes they are young and there is a long way to go but Quinn is not grading well in terms of developing anything. Playerds get better just by aging and playing games. Not one player has shown significant growth under Quinn where he made a difference. Exceptions are like Josh said Buch and TDA. TDA he didn't get through to apparently and Buch seems to be the exception to the rule that Quinn is failing. How long do you give him until you pull the trigger. Year 3 of Kakko and year 2 of Laf? No way he should get past the midway point next year if neither of those guys aren't team cornerstones. I don't care what the record is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Yeah, hoping your franchise-level players start to make a measurable impact when their ELCs expire isn't exactly brilliant asset management/prospect growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Yeah, hoping your franchise-level players start to make a measurable impact when their ELCs expire isn't exactly brilliant asset management/prospect growth. Ideally, they start earlier, but let's be real - most of these sorts of players get drafted onto significantly worse teams than ours is and don't move the needle in the greater scheme until their ELCs are up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Ideally, they start earlier, but let's be real - most of these sorts of players get drafted onto significantly worse teams than ours is and don't move the needle in the greater scheme until their ELCs are up. First- and second-overall picks? Literally wrong. Not even disagreement. Objectively wrong. Most tend to be players by their sophomore years. Look at the D+1 and D+2 seasons for Hall/Seguin, RNH/Lando, Yakupov/Murray, MacKinnon/Barkov, Ekblad/Reinhart, McDavid/Eichel, Matthews/Laine, Hischier/Patrick, Dahlin/Svechnikov. It's a star-studded cast, by and large, with a handful of players you can count on one hand who flamed out quickly. Yakupov doesn't even make that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Carp is garbage He's so goddamn boring and pedestrian. I would kill for actual talented coverage from The Athletic on the Rangers. They have so many good writers for other sports and teams. Yet we get Carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 First- and second-overall picks? Literally wrong. Not even disagreement. Objectively wrong. Most tend to be players by their sophomore years. Look at the D+1 and D+2 seasons for Hall/Seguin, RNH/Lando, Yakupov/Murray, MacKinnon/Barkov, Ekblad/Reinhart, McDavid/Eichel, Matthews/Laine, Hischier/Patrick, Dahlin/Svechnikov. It's a star-studded cast, by and large, with a handful of players you can count on one hand who flamed out quickly. Yakupov doesn't even make that list. You have to wonder if they change the coaching to get the most out of their young stars, or if they really wonder if the kids aren't going to cut it. Lafreniere and Kakko by and large are the two worst players on your list in terms of rookie season/second season performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Which is insane. The same team, in back-to-back drafts, taking highly-touted offensive dynamos who fucking flop offensively in the NHL? Unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 They need a regime under a coach with a better (or any) offensive system before they can be labeled flops. Though I wonder if it's possibe to look up/does anyone remember the linemates those players had when they entered the league? Sure, McDavid and Matthews are world beaters but guys like RNH, Barkov, and Reinhart took some time. Laf and Kakko relying on each other instead of more experienced veterans as linemates might have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 They need a regime under a coach with a better (or any) offensive system before they can be labeled flops. Though I wonder if it's possibe to look up/does anyone remember the linemates those players had when they entered the league? Sure, McDavid and Matthews are world beaters but guys like RNH, Barkov, and Reinhart took some time. Laf and Kakko relying on each other instead of more experienced veterans as linemates might have something to do with it. I'm not labeling them flops. I'm saying they've flopped in the NHL thus far. Again, go do the basic legwork on that list I provided. Almost all of those players taken first- or second-overall were impact players by their sophomore season. The majority of 1OAs were impact players immediately. Even Yakupov put up 17 goals in his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Which is insane. The same team, in back-to-back drafts, taking highly-touted offensive dynamos who fucking flop offensively in the NHL? Unheard of. The funny thing is, for the last 2 seasons #1 and #2 overalls... Hughes and Kakko have similar stats through their career, so far... Laffy sucks and Byfield is back in junior. Maybe just a bad crop of years LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 They need a regime under a coach with a better (or any) offensive system before they can be labeled flops. Though I wonder if it's possibe to look up/does anyone remember the linemates those players had when they entered the league? Sure, McDavid and Matthews are world beaters but guys like RNH, Barkov, and Reinhart took some time. Laf and Kakko relying on each other instead of more experienced veterans as linemates might have something to do with it. You have to put young kids in a spot to be successful. It's vital to development. RNH (was shit on) and played with Eberle, then rotating or Smyth/Hall/Hemsky/Gagner fuck, even Huberdeau put up 31 in 40 games his first season, I thought he sucked. Looked at that roster, there was no one good. Fleishmann & Kopecky? But again, these guys drew #1 defensive pairs. They were the focus of game plans. Teams were trying to shut down those guys. Kakko and Lafreneire do not get that same attention from opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 The funny thing is, for the last 2 seasons #1 and #2 overalls... Hughes and Kakko have similar stats through their career, so far... Laffy sucks and Byfield is back in junior. Maybe just a bad crop of years LOL. Lafreniere might be the most hyped prospects since Mathews? We started seeing this kid 4 years ago - before we ever heard of Dahlin or Svechnikov. Kakko wasnt much less. Hughes has 16 points. Kakko has 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Lafreniere might be the most hyped prospects since Mathews? We started seeing this kid 4 years ago - before we ever heard of Dahlin or Svechnikov. Kakko wasnt much less. Hughes has 16 points. Kakko has 4. Said career. Hughes 37 pts in 88 games, -26 KK 27 in 87, -29 Also, sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 The funny thing is, for the last 2 seasons #1 and #2 overalls... Hughes and Kakko have similar stats through their career, so far... Laffy sucks and Byfield is back in junior. Maybe just a bad crop of years LOL. Would be crazy. When's the last time that happened over multiple drafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Kakko has 4 points in 21 games. FOUR. Averaging a full minute more a game than last year and being the 6th highest TOI per game for all forwards on the team. Gauthier has 2 goals and 6 points. I guess that’s progression from 0? How about Howden. Has he progressed? He sucks even more if that’s possible. Laf has 8 points and was a 1OA also considered to be not just NHl ready, but NHL “impactful” from the jump. Not McDavid but still. I’m guessing he wasn’t expected to be matching Gauthier in production. Literally, this is pretty close to the worst ever production from a 1st and 2nd overall picks in consecutive years in their early nhl careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Would be crazy. When's the last time that happened over multiple drafts? 2017 & 2018 when the Rangers took Andersson (11 pts) and then Kravtsov (0 pts) Islanders with Reinhardt/Dal Colle - but those guys were like 4th and 6th overall picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2017 & 2018 when the Rangers took Andersson (11 pts) and then Kravtsov (0 pts) Islanders with Reinhardt/Dal Colle - but those guys were like 4th and 6th overall picks No, I meant literal first- and second-overall picks going in back-to-back years all busting. Hischier/Patrick, Dahlin/Svechnikov is the closest, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 No, I meant literal first- and second-overall picks going in back-to-back years all busting. Hischier/Patrick, Dahlin/Svechnikov is the closest, I guess? Yakupov/Murray in 2012 Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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