Phil Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Link: Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Damn, bald and plays in Ottawa. Can’t catch a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Checking out his stats with ARI, another good unload by the Rangers. Sadly the pick they made was such a big bust. :( Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Good culture fit for their young roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 A 2nd rounder for Stepan :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 How is Stepan worth what will probably be a high 2nd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 How is Stepan worth what will probably be a high 2nd round pick?Because Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Damn, bald and plays in Ottawa. He'll still be bald after the trade deadline, but he won't be in Ottawa. Nice salary dump for Arizona. For them, it's not about cap but money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Good culture fit for their young roster Definitely, and a perfect Ottawa player given he's owed like $2 million in actual dollars versus $6.5 million in cap hit. He kinda stinks, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 How is Stepan worth what will probably be a high 2nd round pick? Because he's a $6.5 million cap hit. They paid to acquire a big number, not a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Naysayers are back in true form... disrespecting a one time NYR, as lousy. No surprise. The usual from the unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 If his cap hit was 2m, Rangers would have moved a 2nd for him. Ottawa is one of a few teams that has cap space. Not a terrible trade from their perspective either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Because he's a $6.5 million cap hit. They paid to acquire a big number, not a great player. Don't buy that. They could have paid a 3M dollar player on the FA market for that instead. Or they could have gotten assets back, or given up far less, to take certain salaries back. Brendan Smith's 4.5, Staal's 5.5 (maybe, depending on if Ottawa was on NTC list). I think Ottawa is just a dumb franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 The thing is, wouldn’t they have been better off offer sheeting Cirelli than taking on Steps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Don't buy that. They could have paid a 3M dollar player on the FA market for that instead. Or they could have gotten assets back, or given up far less, to take certain salaries back. Brendan Smith's 4.5, Staal's 5.5 (maybe, depending on if Ottawa was on NTC list). I think Ottawa is just a dumb franchise. They're in fantastic shape for a dumb franchise. 2020 NHL organizational rankings: No. 7 Ottawa Senators https://theathletic.com/2026057/2020/09/08/2020-nhl-organizational-rankings-no-7-ottawa-senators/?source=user_shared_article Also, is easy to say "they could have paid a free agent," but that free agent has to agree to go to Ottawa, which doesn't happen very often. Hence, creative trading. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 The thing is, wouldn?t they have been better off offer sheeting Cirelli than taking on Steps? Not really, no. They have a bunch of guys coming up who need room to crack the NHL. Stepan is a stop gap. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Sens made another trade Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 They're in fantastic shape for a dumb franchise. 2020 NHL organizational rankings: No. 7 Ottawa Senators https://theathletic.com/2026057/2020/09/08/2020-nhl-organizational-rankings-no-7-ottawa-senators/?source=user_shared_article Also, is easy to say "they could have paid a free agent," but that free agent has to agree to go to Ottawa, which doesn't happen very often. Hence, creative trading. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk What I meant was giving a 3M player a 1 yr 6.5M deal instead. That player won't turn that money down for a year just because "Ottawa". He'll do it for a year and take the money. And they keep their picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 That makes even less sense. Stepan helps the Senators make the cap floor by giving them an inflated cap charge where the actual dollars owed pale by comparison. They're only on the hook to pay him $2 million in actual dollars, and they'll likely flip him, meaning their actual dollars out is even smaller. The point is precisely to NOT spend actual money. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Definitely, and a perfect Ottawa player given he's owed like $2 million in actual dollars versus $6.5 million in cap hit. He kinda stinks, though. That makes even less sense. Stepan helps the Senators make the cap floor by giving them an inflated cap charge where the actual dollars owed pale by comparison. They're only on the hook to pay him $2 million in actual dollars, and they'll likely flip him, meaning their actual dollars out is even smaller. The point is precisely to NOT spend actual money. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Ah. Ok. Didn't see your other post I've also quoted here. This makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 The thing is, wouldn’t they have been better off offer sheeting Cirelli than taking on Steps? Cirelli still has to sign an offer sheet. I have to imagine he was floated offers but wanted to stay in TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 It's not a commodity market, these are people. What's available may not be what they want. Stepan checks boxes outside of counting stats. Dorian is far more sly, crafty, and ballsy than given credit for, him proving many people hilariously wrong has been very entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 more relief for TB as Blue Heaven posted in a link prior - for those who didn't click on it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 It's not a commodity market, these are people. What's available may not be what they want. Stepan checks boxes outside of counting stats. Dorian is far more sly, crafty, and ballsy than given credit for, him proving many people hilariously wrong has been very entertaining. He's a top-five GM for me the last two or three years. He just works for a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Not really, no. They have a bunch of guys coming up who need room to crack the NHL. Stepan is a stop gap. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Well yeah but Cirelli would have been in the future as a cup winning two way center capable of being a 1c eventually. Still think that made more sense than getting a stop gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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