RangerTheo Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 So my question is how many goals are scored because he is screening the goal tender? If he is a 25- 30 goal a year guy and you can add 5-10 a year from him screening, is that worth 6-7 mil a year? 7.5? In today's NHL, I think it is. Is it the right move for us? Probably not, we don't have the cap space and he will likely want years beyond his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 So my question is how many goals are scored because he is screening the goal tender? If he is a 25- 30 goal a year guy and you can add 5-10 a year from him screening, is that worth 6-7 mil a year? 7.5? In today's NHL, I think it is. Is it the right move for us? Probably not, we don't have the cap space and he will likely want years beyond his prime. The thing I see with Kreider, Theo is that even though he's screening the goalie, his timing of getting in front of him is not very good. Yeah he's standing there, but a lot of times a shot comes from the point, Kreider is not in the right spot, and the goalie can see the shot pretty decently. Also add in the fact that he's not very good at deflections. There were guys in the past that were unreal at it; Adam Graves is the best example I can think of right now that I can compare size-wise. Graves was an absolutely superb net front presence, had pretty good speed, and had the hands of a safe-cracker. Kreider doesn't have that. Kreider has speed, but that's a perishable skill...and if we are to pay a guy 6 mil+, I want a someone who KNOWS what to do in front, and shows up in the playoffs. 'cause this guy won't....and he hasn't. His career playoff stats are: 77 GP 23 G 14 A 37 PTS ...and that with a 13 point playoff in 2013 in 15 games!! So outside of that, you have a $6 million player with 24 points in 62 playoff games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 We can nitpick with just about any player ,but at today's rates ,he is worth 6 mill a year ,now if you don't want to sign him to a long contract for some reason ,fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 We can nitpick with just about any player ,but at today's rates ,he is worth 6 mill a year ,now if you don't want to sign him to a long contract for some reason ,fine Agreed. He's probably going to get damn near that on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Big game against Philly..... Same result: M I A ...This is the reason we can't have nice things! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 @Ozzy 2013 stat says it all. That was Kreider?s money- shot scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 @Ozzy 2013 stat says it all. That was Kreider’s money- shot scene. I hear ya big guy...he certainly isn't doing enough to warrant a long term, big $$$ contract this year. ....Guy's like a fart in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I hear ya big guy...he certainly isn't doing enough to warrant a long term, big $$$ contract this year. ....Guy's like a fart in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I saw Shawshank last week, I absolutely LOVE that movie!!! I totally had that in mind when I responded! :rofl: I think of this scene everytime I think of Krieder in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Saturday headlines on CBC....Ton of interest in Chris Kreider, Kreider isn't available yet but teams are waiting to see what the Rangers will do. Rangers will be patient with Lias Anderson just like teams with Puljujarvi, Honka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 What are all the " Trade Kreider " zealots gonna do if he re-signs with the NYR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 What are all the " Trade Kreider " zealots gonna do if he re-signs with the NYR? Honestly, depends on the contract. If we sign him to Kevin Hayes numbers, we're really shooting ourselves in the foot. If we sign him to Dustin Brown numbers, we should be popping corks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I wouldn't re-sign Kreider if he played for free. He's not the answer to what this team is going to be. Yeah he's doing better now, because he's playing for a contract and FINALLY is playing with some fire up his ass. ...come the Playoffs?? He'll be MISSING IN ACTION...yet again. Here: http://www.nhl.com/player/chris-kreider-8475184?stats=career-p-nhl&season=null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Optimists are teeming on this topic. Trade him for commodities that in many cases hardly pan out. Makes complete sense. Another case of " he'll be missed when gone ". People here are trade, dump, demote, cut, bench happy! H.F! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Optimists are teeming on this topic. Trade him for commodities that in many cases hardly pan out. Makes complete sense. Another case of " he'll be missed when gone ". People here are trade, dump, demote, cut, bench happy! H.F! Not everyone, my good man... You gotta watch him play live, my man. The guy just wanders out there. He's also not really very good in front of the net; yeah he's a big body, but he misses a lot of deflection opportunities. He is also not very good at timing his screening of the goalie with shots from the point. He's always too early or too late and the goalie either sees the puck or he gets pushed aside. It's not easy in front of the net; You get cross checked, slashed, and if you stand there long enough you may have to pull a defenseman's stick out of your ass! I admire his wanting to take on this role...FINALLY. I really would've liked to see Kreider pan out better. I had really high hopes for him, but maybe my expectations for him were too high. Some fans may be content with lackluster and half-hearted play, where a guy shows up once every 4 games, but I'm not. Kreider's most prolific quality is his size and speed; that's about it. For one, he just started being a net-front presence, and two, his speed isn't going to get any better as he ages past 30. I'll miss Kreider about as much as I miss Chlamydia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Optimists are teeming on this topic. Trade him for commodities that in many cases hardly pan out. Makes complete sense. Another case of " he'll be missed when gone ". People here are trade, dump, demote, cut, bench happy! H.F!I imagine you had these same posts for: Callahan Girardi Staal Lundqvist Callahan was utter garbage 2 years after he signed. So was G. So was Staal. Now Lundqvist is part of a goalie logjam even though he's still a good goalie. You realize there's a salary cap and younger players are cheaper than older players and you can't pay everyone, right? Just trying to see if you actually understand the business side of the game and not just watching this mediocre product on your 85" TV with your boo, which you can't stop talking about but no one really cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I imagine you had these same posts for: Callahan Girardi Staal Lundqvist Callahan was utter garbage 2 years after he signed. So was G. So was Staal. Now Lundqvist is part of a goalie logjam even though he's still a good goalie. You realize there's a salary cap and younger players are cheaper than older players and you can't pay everyone, right? Just trying to see if you actually understand the business side of the game and not just watching this mediocre product on your 85" TV with your boo, which you can't stop talking about but no one really cares. Been following hockey for longer than you have probably been alive, so I most likely know a lot more about the game and the salary cap implications that are constantly being bandied about. I don't really give a rat's heinie if, as you put it, no one really cares. I care and I am proud as hell that my honey of 50+ years enjoys the game with me. She's been to many games @ MSG and probably knows as much, if not more, than you ever will. BTW. Our TV is not 85" so assuming so shows just how ill informed you are. And yes. Unlike you and many others, I happened to like the players that you so eloquently described in your usual debasing comments. Were they HOFERS? Hardly that but gave it their all for the NYR. Not every player is a super star; most aren't in case you haven't noticed while watching on your 10" round Muntz TV. TaTa big guy. Enjoy the western Canadian swing, if you can. And above all; H.F! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Not everyone, my good man... You gotta watch him play live, my man. The guy just wanders out there. He's also not really very good in front of the net; yeah he's a big body, but he misses a lot of deflection opportunities. He is also not very good at timing his screening of the goalie with shots from the point. He's always too early or too late and the goalie either sees the puck or he gets pushed aside. It's not easy in front of the net; You get cross checked, slashed, and if you stand there long enough you may have to pull a defenseman's stick out of your ass! I admire his wanting to take on this role...FINALLY. I really would've liked to see Kreider pan out better. I had really high hopes for him, but maybe my expectations for him were too high. Some fans may be content with lackluster and half-hearted play, where a guy shows up once every 4 games, but I'm not. Kreider's most prolific quality is his size and speed; that's about it. For one, he just started being a net-front presence, and two, his speed isn't going to get any better as he ages past 30. I'll miss Kreider about as much as I miss Chlamydia. Yeah. You'll be moaning about his replacement fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Been following hockey for longer than you have probably been alive, so I most likely know a lot more about the game and the salary cap implications that are constantly being bandied about. I don't really give a rat's heinie if, as you put it, no one really cares. I care and I am proud as hell that my honey of 50+ years enjoys the game with me. She's been to many games @ MSG and probably knows as much, if not more, than you ever will. BTW. Our TV is not 85" so assuming so shows just how ill informed you are. And yes. Unlike you and many others, I happened to like the players that you so eloquently described in your usual debasing comments. Were they HOFERS? Hardly that but gave it their all for the NYR. Not every player is a super star; most aren't in case you haven't noticed while watching on your 10" round Muntz TV. TaTa big guy. Enjoy the western Canadian swing, if you can. And above all; H.F!Congrats on being old. The only thing you have on me is years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yeah. You'll be moaning about his replacement fast enough. "moaning"??? :rofl: Let me ask you this then: What do you wanna pay Kreider to stay here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 "moaning"??? :rofl: Let me ask you this then: What do you wanna pay Kreider to stay here? Yeah, moaning. I don't want to pay him anything. Not my obligation. Nobody has an inkling as to what NYR management OR KK are thinking at this time. Least of all the peeps that are quick to dump players for so-called " assets ", most of whom don't pan out as expected. I'm pretty sure they will be negotiating at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Congrats on being old. The only thing you have on me is years. One more brilliant post from the Pres. of Mensa. God willing, you'll live long enough to actually appreciate the players that are in the big apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Been following hockey for longer than you have probably been alive, so I most likely know a lot more about the game and the salary cap implications that are constantly being bandied about. I don't really give a rat's heinie if, as you put it, no one really cares. I care and I am proud as hell that my honey of 50+ years enjoys the game with me. She's been to many games @ MSG and probably knows as much, if not more, than you ever will. BTW. Our TV is not 85" so assuming so shows just how ill informed you are. And yes. Unlike you and many others, I happened to like the players that you so eloquently described in your usual debasing comments. Were they HOFERS? Hardly that but gave it their all for the NYR. Not every player is a super star; most aren't in case you haven't noticed while watching on your 10" round Muntz TV. TaTa big guy. Enjoy the western Canadian swing, if you can. And above all; H.F! :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yeah, moaning. I don't want to pay him anything. Not my obligation. Nobody has an inkling as to what NYR management OR KK are thinking at this time. Least of all the peeps that are quick to dump players for so-called " assets ", most of whom don't pan out as expected. I'm pretty sure they will be negotiating at some point. Kreider didn't pan out as expected...to be quite honest. What do you think is a fair price the Rangers should pay Kreider on his pending Free agent deal, in order to keep him in NY? I wanna see if you are just trolling, or if you actually have some insight as to how this works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Kreider didn't pan out as expected...to be quite honest. What do you think is a fair price the Rangers should pay Kreider on his pending Free agent deal, in order to keep him in NY? I wanna see if you are just trolling, or if you actually have some insight as to how this works. I'm not sure how this is true. I have no idea why people's expectations were so high. He's been a 1st/2nd line NHL player for 8 seasons. Played an important role on a team that won President's Trophy and went to the SC Final. I think if someone told you that on draft day you'd gladly take it. We have to stop pretending every 1st round pick is supposed to be Connor McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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