Phil Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 DeAngelo?s agent, Pat Brisson, and Lemieux?s representative, Claude Lemieux, politely declined to provide updates on talks between their respective clients and the Rangers. The same holds true for New York management. At this point, though, it does not appear that the Rangers are inclined to move off their initial bids. That means that DeAngelo and Lemieux, each of whom play with a necessary jagged edge not necessarily prevalent throughout the roster, have only two means of leverage. One is to withhold service and not play, which wouldn?t seem to represent much of an option at all for two guys who have yet to make their mark in the NHL but are in line to get that opportunity this season. They could play in Europe but would face the exact same scenario upon returning. And though their absences would hurt the Rangers, it is far-fetched to expect management to cave as a consequence. The players? other alternative is to attempt to attract an offer sheet ? or at least a credible threat of one ? that would force general manager Jeff Gorton?s hand. Neither DeAngelo nor Lemieux is in especially prime position to cash in, but the compensation return for players at their respective pay grades is light, so that works in the players? favor. The Rangers would receive no compensation as return on an unmatched offer sheet of $1,395,053 or below and only a third-rounder for an unmatched offer sheet of between $1,395,053.01 and $2,113,716. https://nypost.com/2019/08/21/limited-options-for-tony-deangelo-brendan-lemieux-in-rangers-contract-standoffs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I don?t mind Lemieux, he?s a fun little player. But he has zero leverage here. I?m an AdA fanboy, but he only has a sliver of leverage. He?s a decent bet for an offer sheet, but signing one at that salary threshold is unlikely to be a good decision for him long term. I very much doubt anything is going to force Gortons hand with these two. But I also think there?s a good chance we see a salary dump trade with Names and both will be taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 these players have yet to prove their worth as NHLers. Not sure they should be hard-lining much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 They're not hard lining, there's literally no money to pay them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 They're not hard lining, there's literally no money to pay them. And they have literally no leverage other than to not play, so you do you Brendan and Tony. Your QO is waiting for you when you get tired of sitting around watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Trade Fast. There might be a market for him. He's the only sensible trade asset. I think a team would take Namestnikov, but only for pennies on the dollar. I have a feeling Gorton doesn't want to do that and probably sees him as a potential part of the roster. Nobody is taking Staal or Smith. Do you trade Strome for a likely low return or do you see how he pans out? Unless they got blown away, I really hope they don't deal Kreider just yet... Do you walk away from DeAngelo, by trading him or letting him sign an offer sheet?? Does Fox make him expendable? I really think you have to deal Fast and get what he's worth instead of selling low on other pieces. I take Strome over Fast any day. I pick Lemieux over Fast. Gotta make room and you have to get valve back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 It's just unfortunate that the only two reasons to watch last season, now likely won't be in camp, and who knows beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 regardless of whether or not they make a trade, I wouldn't budge off the QO for either one. Make them earn it first, so far imo neither have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Neither one of them have earned anything beyond a QO. ADA is great but has an attitude problem. Lemieux is fun but woefully out of shape and until he proves his commitment...QO all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm not convinced that Lemieux is anything more than a 4th line, platoon, change-of-look type guy, but Deangelo is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'm not convinced that Lemieux is anything more than a 4th line, platoon, change-of-look type guy, but Deangelo is good.Agree. But grow the fuck up. Him, not you. But also, you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'll start right after the ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I think ADA has more to lose than Brendan does. There is a lot of competition on defense this year for a spot. If he doesn't report to camp, and one of the prospects plays well enough to earn a spot, he could be on the short end of the stick. The Rangers don't need to sign him or Brendan, they have enough to fill their spots as is. Rangers hold all of the leverage here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Trade Fast. There might be a market for him. He's the only sensible trade asset. I think a team would take Namestnikov, but only for pennies on the dollar. I have a feeling Gorton doesn't want to do that and probably sees him as a potential part of the roster. Nobody is taking Staal or Smith. Do you trade Strome for a likely low return or do you see how he pans out? Unless they got blown away, I really hope they don't deal Kreider just yet... Do you walk away from DeAngelo, by trading him or letting him sign an offer sheet?? Does Fox make him expendable? I really think you have to deal Fast and get what he's worth instead of selling low on other pieces. I take Strome over Fast any day. I pick Lemieux over Fast. Gotta make room and you have to get valve back. If they could move him for pennies, I would be fine with that. They don't need him, he hasn't really done anything while he was here. I don't think he is a part of the future of this team, his play hasn't indicated it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If they could move him @ 50% retention for a 7th,it would already be done. I'm not sure if anybody is paying attention here, nobody is moving around the league. Nobody has room to add anything. That's not an indictment of his play, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'm not convinced that Lemieux is anything more than a 4th line, platoon, change-of-look type guy, but Deangelo is good. This team could use a Brandon Prust, with slightly better hockey abilities. And I'm fine with him being just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 It's just unfortunate that the only two reasons to watch last season, now likely won't be in camp, and who knows beyond that. They’ll be in camp. If either of them try to sit out they should have their fucking heads read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 They both just need to eat shit on this. Sign your offer, get to camp, and earn a bigger contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 They both just need to eat shit on this. Sign your offer, get to camp, and earn a bigger contract. I agree. I don't think there's a big enough sample size for them to get more than their qualifying offer. That said, I could see a scenario in which DeAngelo sits out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I agree. I don't think there's a big enough sample size for them to get more than their qualifying offer. That said, I could see a scenario in which DeAngelo sits out. I don't. If he does, he's out of the league. We qualified him and hold his rights, he has no leverage....Right? He can go play in Europe with Marner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Deangelo had a good half season last year. I'm not sold on him long term. Not sure why he'd get more than a QO or a small 100k bump more than that or something. The Rangers should make him prove himself. Even more than that, what if Fox is an instant 2nd pair defenseman and better than DeAngelo? And with Lundkvist on the way too? If he doesn't like it, then he can sit out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 They both just need to eat shit on this. Sign your offer, get to camp, and earn a bigger contract. There’s less money next offseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 There’s less money next offseason! That depends if Kreider is still here. If not, plenty of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Carryover bonuses + Shattenkirk buyout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Carryover bonuses + Shattenkirk buyout How much in carryover bonuses (realistic and maximum) are we looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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