Shane Falco Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Off-Season Game Plan looks at a Rangers team that could take the time to build through the draft – they have five picks in the first two rounds this year – but to do that they will have to resist temptation to do a quick rebuild. Where this gets more challenging is when it comes to whether GM Jeff Gorton can hold the picks that he acquired when embarking on the rebuilding effort. If the Rangers stock their system this year, that really should pay off down the road. It just requires some patience, which isn’t a trait for which this franchise is famous. https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-new-york-rangers-1.1087432 He goes on to give some interesting suggestions in regards to drafting and what the roster could look like next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 His projected roster is everything internal plus Cam Ward and Kovalchuk. If the goal is traditional rebuild, I'm down. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 His projected roster is everything internal plus Cam Ward and Kovalchuk. If the goal is traditional rebuild, I'm down. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Yea, can't say I disagree with his approach. But that would take patience from Rangers brass. I'm okay with doing it right instead of rushing to be competitive again. This franchise was "competitive" for years without being able to get the job done. Take a different approach this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Article is trash. Not well thought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Well, he rides the fence the entire time based on the fact he can't project whether they're legitimately rebuilding or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Article is trash. Not well thought out. Correct. A very disappointing article from someone who obviously did not watch this team very much and relies too heavily on stats in general and advanced stats in particular. He says Shattenkirk didn't play well and then got hurt, obviously ignorant of the fact that he was hurt to begin with and eventually opted for surgery when he just couldn't do it anymore. He touts the now outdated 2016-17 view of Staal, when everyone who watches the team agrees that he was better than expected and not the problem in 2017-18. He rattles through the roster and has guys like Holland, Gilmour and Nieves battling for spots next year when we all know they are simply not in the picture. He doesn't know Pionk from Randy Moeller and casts doubt on him on the basis of... possession stats. Your average regular poster on this forum has a more informed perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Really not worth reading. No real insight and no keen observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 His projected roster is everything internal plus Cam Ward and Kovalchuk. If the goal is traditional rebuild, I'm down. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk But...why do you sign either of those guys if you don't plan on being good next year? Kovalchuk only makes sense if you also get Tavares/EK/Gretzky. Cam Ward only makes sense if you don't think Georgiev is ready to be a backup on a competitive team (which, compared to Cam Ward...lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Really not worth reading. No real insight and no keen observation. This is meant for the fans of the 30 other teams, not Rangers fans. It's a lot more palatable if you keep that context in mind lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 But...why do you sign either of those guys if you don't plan on being good next year? Kovalchuk only makes sense if you also get Tavares/EK/Gretzky. Cam Ward only makes sense if you don't think Georgiev is ready to be a backup on a competitive team (which, compared to Cam Ward...lol). Because you can't ice a team of teenagers and you probably want to have some veteran scoring on the roster to help bring the young guys along in a losing environment. Takes a special type to handle that role without poisoning the well. Ward would also make sense if you know you'll lose but want to build the most competitive AHL roster you can to bring along a bunch of guys who you think will be part of your future that you want learning to win while the big club sorts itself out. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 fuck cam ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 cam ward? is he russian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Because you can't ice a team of teenagers and you probably want to have some veteran scoring on the roster to help bring the young guys along in a losing environment. Takes a special type to handle that role without poisoning the well. Ward would also make sense if you know you'll lose but want to build the most competitive AHL roster you can to bring along a bunch of guys who you think will be part of your future that you want learning to win while the big club sorts itself out. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk If you're not trying to win, why can't you? Also...Kreider, Zib, Zucc? Hayes? Fast? Namestnikov/Spooner? Vesey and Buch are going into their third year. You could ice nearly an entire top-9 of guys who are all in at least their third year. How many veterans do you need? Chytil and Andersson are the only teenagers and, depending on the draft, might be the only rookies in the lineup. Maybe one more on D. The Rangers would have to do impossible offloading to ice a team of teenagers. There are plenty of vet goalies capable of being competitive in the AHL, I don't see how Georgiev is going to get any better there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Kreider, Zib, Zucc? Hayes? Fast? Namestnikov/Spooner? Vesey and Buch are going into their third year. You could ice nearly an entire top-9 of guys who are all in at least their third year. How many veterans do you need? Chytil and Andersson are the only teenagers and, depending on the draft, might be the only rookies in the lineup. Maybe one more on D. The Rangers would have to do impossible offloading to ice a team of teenagers. It didnt seem to work last season. How do you think it works to success with an even younger roster? culture matters. There are plenty of vet goalies capable of being competitive in the AHL, I don't see how Georgiev is going to get any better there. obviously - more playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 It didnt seem to work last season. How do you think it works to success with an even younger roster? culture matters. obviously - more playing time. If they're not trying to win, then success isn't the point. Kovalchuk doesn't add anything to the culture that Zucc and Kreider don't. 50 games in the AHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 riiiiiight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 efff that, ya gotta earn a spot. Georgie earned the right to earn the backup spot in camp. He'll learn plenty here in the pros behind Hank, with Allaire. This is a rebuild fellas, time to develop players when they are ready to take the next step. Don't want to rush or stunt development for any other agenda. BTW, Georgie is probably more ready than Lias. Have any of the kids shown they are done in the AHL except Pionk and maybe Chytil and Georgie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 efff that, ya gotta earn a spot. Georgie earned the right to earn the backup spot in camp. He'll learn plenty here in the pros behind Hank, with Allaire. This is a rebuild fellas, time to develop players when they are ready to take the next step. Don't want to rush or stunt development for any other agenda. BTW, Georgie is probably more ready than Lias. Have any of the kids shown they are done in the AHL except Pionk and maybe Chytil and Georgie? first off, I don't want Cam Ward. I'm fine with Georgie porgie, but throwing him to the wolves behind a shit defense rarely helps the development of young goaltenders (Not that this situation would be any different in Hartford) And the bolded contradicts itself and everything you hated about AV. I think our main prospects are ready to take the next step. This doesnt mean throwing Chytil on the top line and expecting 70 points. Don't need to throw them to the wolves, or set the up for failure, but, as you mentioned, I think a lot of these guys will develop more at the NHL level, than in the AHL. (which is why you have vets to take those minutes, pressure, assignments, etc... ease them in) But, Hartford is horrible. Keep guys away, if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 first off, I don't want Cam Ward. I'm fine with Georgie porgie, but throwing him to the wolves behind a shit defense rarely helps the development of young goaltenders (Not that this situation would be any different in Hartford) And the bolded contradicts itself and everything you hated about AV. I think our main prospects are ready to take the next step. This doesnt mean throwing Chytil on the top line and expecting 70 points. Don't need to throw them to the wolves, or set the up for failure, but, as you mentioned, I think a lot of these guys will develop more at the NHL level, than in the AHL. (which is why you have vets to take those minutes, pressure, assignments, etc... ease them in) But, Hartford is horrible. Keep guys away, if possible. Interesting comments. First, let's hope Gorton, Drury and Co make drastic steps forward with Hartford this year. We should have Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Ronning and other young talent and a couple of new picks. They'll get decent support from Belesky, Gilmour, O'Gara among a few others. Second, I can see how it seems contradictory, but I am specifically talking about Lias and his specific development. Plus there is no reason paint everyone's development path and timeframe with the same brush. Lias needs to develop his skating and offensive skills more. If that is better done in Hartford and he does not outright earn a job where the new coach can get him 15-16 minutes per, then he can start the year in Hartford with goals in mind. Chytil is probably ready for a shot and Georgie looked ready. Georgie will be even better with some stability beginning the year in NY with Allaire. And some D structure in front of him. And Hank. Pionk (btw, older) has nothing to learn in the A and needs to now develop into a reliable Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Pionk has plenty to learn. He's only been a pro for less than a year. All the guys have shit to learn. It's weather or not they're skilled enough to be competitive in the NHL. I think Pionk is, but on a good team, he's not an NHL player yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Pionk has plenty to learn. He's only been a pro for less than a year. All the guys have shit to learn. It's weather or not they're skilled enough to be competitive in the NHL. I think Pionk is, but on a good team, he's not an NHL player yet. Agreed! a lot of people in my opinion banking on half the roster magically being drastically better just by rolling in a new coach. I don't see it from most of the marginally talented guys on this roster. We have way too many middle of the road and below here currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Agreed! a lot of people in my opinion banking on half the roster magically being drastically better just by rolling in a new coach. I don't see it from most of the marginally talented guys on this roster. We have way too many middle of the road and below here currently. We don't have an NHL roster at this point. I think there are 7 forwards with contracts. None are 1st line players. The defense is in even worse shape. So that said, the Rangers have work to do. If they want to ice a competitive team, that'll mean making a lot of trades and signing a lot of players. If they don't really care about the outcome and hope to finish anywhere from 8th - 13th then you'll see a lot of the young guys in the lineup. Pionk will probably make the team but that doesn't mean he doesn't have shit to learn. He's got plenty to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Pionk has plenty to learn. He's only been a pro for less than a year. All the guys have shit to learn. It's weather or not they're skilled enough to be competitive in the NHL. I think Pionk is, but on a good team, he's not an NHL player yet. You misunderstood, I said in the A, as in AHL. He has nothing to gain going back to Hartford. He'll be 23 this summer. He has plenty to learn, but he needs to do it in NY, playing at NHL speed. Of all the young defenders, he earned a spot. I want to see what he can do with it. Lias and Chytil are much younger and did not have a college career. The Rangers could determine that Hartford is the right learning environment for either to start the season. They won't do that will Pionk. That does not mean he is better or a finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It didnt seem to work last season. How do you think it works to success with an even younger roster? culture matters. obviously - more playing time.You're way over-blowing this culture of losing thing. Culture of losing is created when losing is accepted with no consequence. Culture of losing is NOT created when young developing players who hate to lose (hey [emoji966] tosser...step up!) Go through growing pains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 You misunderstood, I said in the A, as in AHL. He has nothing to gain going back to Hartford. He'll be 23 this summer. He has plenty to learn, but he needs to do it in NY, playing at NHL speed. Of all the young defenders, he earned a spot. I want to see what he can do with it. Lias and Chytil are much younger and did not have a college career. The Rangers could determine that Hartford is the right learning environment for either to start the season. They won't do that will Pionk. That does not mean he is better or a finished product. No. I understood. Assuming there's nothing to learn at the lower levels is a mistake. He needs to learn how to be a pro and could learn that in the A with less pressure, but because the Rangers suck he'll likely learn that in the spotlight which is never an easy thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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