Giacomin Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 He's still maturing physically, which makes a big difference, who knows if that's why his SH% is way up. But I think the biggest difference is that they've just left that top line alone. He's no longer got Grigorenko, Andrighetto, Comeau, Iginla, or Borque on the ice with him. He's always been productive with good players, but the upside to Duchene leaving is that they no longer have to try to spread the wealth, so to speak. I heard someone opine that with Duchene gone, this became his team and he was ready to step up. I like your angle on that idea, that the Avs are stacking their 1st line now and he's probably seeing the top pair dmen on the ice more too. I also think he has refined his stick skills and he maintains position/balance near the net and is able to make plays with the puck. He's a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 This is not making the point that Wheeler isn't the team's MVP.And you saying so doesn't make Wheeler the MVP of his team. Laine is the difference maker there. (See, I can say things I don't have to prove, too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 http://http://mobile.twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/976897806425251840 I can’t get the fuckin link to work, but it basically shows McKinnon should win and Wheeler isn’t even on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The link doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The link doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 "Directly set up", so it counts for goals and primary assists? But as expected, McDavid and MacKinnon in a league of their own. Factoring in that Oilers won't make the playoffs, it should go to MacKinnon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 "Directly set up", so it counts for goals and primary assists? But as expected, McDavid and MacKinnon in a league of their own. Factoring in that Oilers won't make the playoffs, it should go to MacKinnon. Was the MVP ever given to someone on a non-playoff team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Was the MVP ever given to someone on a non-playoff team? Not that I can see, although Gretzky won it at 19 when the Oilers were 11 games under .500, but there were only 21 teams in those days and 16 made the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 http://http://mobile.twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/976897806425251840 I can’t get the fuckin link to work, but it basically shows McKinnon should win and Wheeler isn’t even on the list. Eh, no it doesn't. It shows that Ovechkin should be, to me. If Colorado finishes better than the wild card, I might change my mind. But a guy playing on a much worse team getting another assist on 1 in every 20 goals doesn't move the needle. And this stat kind of punishes players who play on deep teams and rewards single-line teams. I mean, I kind of doubt you're going to sit here and say that O'Reilly deserves it over John Tavares and Eric Staal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 "Directly set up", so it counts for goals and primary assists? But as expected, McDavid and MacKinnon in a league of their own. Factoring in that Oilers won't make the playoffs, it should go to MacKinnon. This is the exact argument I'm making with Wheeler lol. The only difference is the degree to where team success matters. You're using the playoffs as the cutoff, and I'm using, basically, playoff seeding as the cutoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Eh, no it doesn't. It shows that Ovechkin should be, to me. If Colorado finishes better than the wild card, I might change my mind. But a guy playing on a much worse team getting another assist on 1 in every 20 goals doesn't move the needle. I mean, I kind of doubt you're going to sit here and say that O'Reilly deserves it over John Tavares and Eric Staal. ofcourse not, because they suck. If you remove O'reilly it wouldnt make a difference for Buffalo. Partly the same goes for Wheeler, they would be some places lower, but still a good playoff team. Take MacKinnon out of COL and they will be a bottom 10 team. He is THAT important(valuable) for them. You could argue for Giroux aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Eh, no it doesn't. It shows that Ovechkin should be, to me. If Colorado finishes better than the wild card, I might change my mind. But a guy playing on a much worse team getting another assist on 1 in every 20 goals doesn't move the needle. And this stat kind of punishes players who play on deep teams and rewards single-line teams. I mean, I kind of doubt you're going to sit here and say that O'Reilly deserves it over John Tavares and Eric Staal. This is the exact argument I'm making with Wheeler lol. The only difference is the degree to where team success matters. You're using the playoffs as the cutoff, and I'm using, basically, playoff seeding as the cutoff. Washington has 3 more wins (only 1 more win in regulation/OT) than Colorado. If you take MacKinnon off Colorado they are a lottery team. If you take Wheeler off Winnipeg, Scheifele, Liane, and Ehlers still get them to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Washington has 3 more wins (only 1 more win in regulation/OT) than Colorado. If you take MacKinnon off Colorado they are a lottery team. If you take Wheeler off Winnipeg, Scheifele, Liane, and Ehlers still get them to the playoffs.Exactly. Ovechkin has a supporting cast. Wheeler does, too. MacKinnon? Not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 If Colorado misses the playoffs (currently tied for the last spot) does Taylor Hall end up getting the MVP nod? If Colorado misses, it kind of opens things up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 If Colorado misses the playoffs (currently tied for the last spot) does Taylor Hall end up getting the MVP nod? If Colorado misses, it kind of opens things up a bit. No 1. He’s too fuckin ugly 2. He’s a scumbag Devil 3. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 If Colorado misses the playoffs (currently tied for the last spot) does Taylor Hall end up getting the MVP nod? If Colorado misses, it kind of opens things up a bit. Kopitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Kopitar This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 GWG in the most important game of the season clinching the last WC spot. Just give it to him already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 GWG in the most important game of the season clinching the last WC spot. Just give it to him already Saw this as well. So happy they leapfrogged STL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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