Mistercosmic Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I stopped reading after I saw him winning two cups in Pittsburgh. What's happening to this place... Don't be sad...we've already highlighted how extremely misguided I am. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I just reread a few pages of the discussion about the trade back in 2015. It was common sense back then that Hagelin wasn't worth the money he asked for and that we had to make enough room to sign Stepan (sic!). But what about Etem? Well, the expectations were quite high: - solid 3rd liner instantly, playing 16 minutes/game, with upside to move to second line, 15 goals in his first season, 50 points per season perspectively - like a younger Kreider or Pouliot, should be better than Hags, has 10? the talent, will perform same role right from the start for less So I'm just disappointed, but some must or should be frustrated as hell about this trade. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 There's nothing to be frustrated about. We weren't going to resign Hags. We got a Etem and the #41(Gropp), a former 1st round, and hoped a change of scenery would unlock his potential. It didn't. Traded Etem for another former first rounder in Jensen, and a pick (Lakaots). Change of scenery did help him either. That's how it goes. Not every player figures it out. You don't get a steal every time. We still have a 20 year old Gropp with size and speed about to play his first pro season. Hopefully he can keep putting the puck in the net. Either way we weren't going to resign Hags and he would in no way improve our current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Back then I have not had the pleasure debating in this forum, if I remember correctly, but I can assure that the wish to resign Hags for at least 3 to 3,5 millions per year came from people who take themselves and their hockey knowledge very seriously and hate morons on facebook as well. Besides, I never used facebook in my whole life. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk If they're willing to give Hagelin at least 3.5, they could take their hockey as serious as they want, they haven't a clue. Max out at 3.5, maybe. He got 4x4, and he's not worth it. And it's not like we're playing results here. He's the same player he always was. He's always been closer to the 4th line than the 2nd line. Can't play pp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If they're willing to give Hagelin at least 3.5, they could take their hockey as serious as they want, they haven't a clue. Max out at 3.5, maybe. He got 4x4, and he's not worth it. And it's not like we're playing results here. He's the same player he always was. He's always been closer to the 4th line than the 2nd line. Can't play pp. Trading Hagelin was a necessary decision, I guess we all agree. But Emerson Etem, the player the Rangers got in that trade, wasn't as valuable and productive as a lot of fans imagined. On the contrary he was a bust and the prospect we got for him neither made the team. I think it's natural to feel dissatisfied with this result. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think the bigger issue is depth for the Rangers. This guy was considered as depth for the bottom six. If anyone gets hurt, they have nobody with a pulse to plug in. I think an issue anyone could have with the Hagelin trade, was that it wasn't done earlier. They should have traded him the year prior, or that trade deadline. They got nothing for him because they HAD to trade him or sit on him. Seems to be an issue this team has with foresight. While they don't lose every trade, they certainly put themselves in bad spots with no leverage to move players they NEED to. Nobody is going to give you anything for a speedy third liner who is not signed and doesn't fit under your cap. Just like you're not going to get anything for a 2nd line center making big dollars, when you give yourself no time to deal him before his NTC kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 How would it have made more sense to deal Hagelin earlier when he was a considerable piece in their back to back conference final appearances? Why would they deal him at the deadline when they were making another run for the cup? They got exactly what most third line players get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not to detract from Hagelinwatch 2017, but the silver lining to Jensen is that the Rangers qualified him, so should he return to the NHL as soon as next season (or the season after, given he has an option in his KHL contract for a 2018-19 extension), the Rangers would still retain his rights. He's only 24, so coming back at 25 or 26 still gives them a window to capitalize on some of his prime years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think the bigger issue is depth for the Rangers. This guy was considered as depth for the bottom six. If anyone gets hurt, they have nobody with a pulse to plug in. I think an issue anyone could have with the Hagelin trade, was that it wasn't done earlier. They should have traded him the year prior, or that trade deadline. They got nothing for him because they HAD to trade him or sit on him. Seems to be an issue this team has with foresight. While they don't lose every trade, they certainly put themselves in bad spots with no leverage to move players they NEED to. Nobody is going to give you anything for a speedy third liner who is not signed and doesn't fit under your cap. Just like you're not going to get anything for a 2nd line center making big dollars, when you give yourself no time to deal him before his NTC kicks in. Cole Schneider, Paul Carey, and now Dan DeSalvo are all essentially next year's Jensen as far as organization depth is concerned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Dan DeSalvo signed an AHL contact. He can't be recalled as he's not Rangers property. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 The could sign him though...as long as they have a contract available when the summer is over Sent from my SM-G930V using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Right, but in order to be called up, they'd have to sign an NHL contact. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 How would it have made more sense to deal Hagelin earlier when he was a considerable piece in their back to back conference final appearances? Why would they deal him at the deadline when they were making another run for the cup? They got exactly what most third line players get. Because they wound up getting Emerson Etem for him? They saw it coming since all the way back then. They couldn't keep him. There was no way. It's called asset management. How does he go from a guy not worth the contract he got, and not being all that good (from this thread) to being this key component to a Ranger cup run????? He was a third liner and PK specialist. Wasn't a center, wasn't able to slot up, couldn't contribute shit on the PP... WHY NOT trade him? I wasn't ever a big fan of his. I was willing to deal him back then. Pretty sure I wasn't alone in that thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Because they wound up getting Emerson Etem for him? They saw it coming since all the way back then. They couldn't keep him. There was no way. It's called asset management. How does he go from a guy not worth the contract he got, and not being all that good (from this thread) to being this key component to a Ranger cup run????? He was a third liner and PK specialist. Wasn't a center, wasn't able to slot up, couldn't contribute shit on the PP... WHY NOT trade him? I wasn't ever a big fan of his. I was willing to deal him back then. Pretty sure I wasn't alone in that thinking. Did I say he was a key component to their cup run? I said he was a considerable piece. I don't know where you get this idea that centers are the only players that matter in a cup run. Penalty kills and strong fourth lines can help teams win cups. They aren't the reason, but they're a part. I wasn't a fan of Hagelin's but his contirbutions to the penalty kill and his speed made him a useful player. So much so that the team has tried not once but twice to replace his speed with similar players like Stalberg and Hagelin. They didn't trade him because you don't ship off players that play important roles if you're in the running for a cup. What sense does that make? He was an RFA. They still had some ability to get a return. They got a former first round pick and second round pick for a third liner. That's not much to scoff at. You don't restrict trading players to just centers and players that can slot up. That's actually nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Who gives a shit about Hagelin? He's long gone. I hate how after a player leaves we circle back and look what they were acquired for and judge the deal in hindsight. Jensen isn't even connected to Hagelin. We basically let Hags walk. Etem was a throw in. Jensen is a completely different trade. Hags got paid. He won the cup. Good for him. That has nothing to do with us or Jensen. Many players have won the cup or gotten to the finals after leaving here. Different circumstances. Different teams. Different everything. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Did I say he was a key component to their cup run? I said he was a considerable piece. I don't know where you get this idea that centers are the only players that matter in a cup run. Penalty kills and strong fourth lines can help teams win cups. They aren't the reason, but they're a part. I wasn't a fan of Hagelin's but his contirbutions to the penalty kill and his speed made him a useful player. So much so that the team has tried not once but twice to replace his speed with similar players like Stalberg and Hagelin. They didn't trade him because you don't ship off players that play important roles if you're in the running for a cup. What sense does that make? He was an RFA. They still had some ability to get a return. They got a former first round pick and second round pick for a third liner. That's not much to scoff at. You don't restrict trading players to just centers and players that can slot up. That's actually nonsense. Ok so he wasn't a "key component" but was a "considerable piece"? Is there a difference? Are we being serious here? With Brian Boyle, Dom Moore, and countless other PK types, I never saw the exaggerated value of Hagelin. I don't even know what they could have gotten back if they DID trade him earlier. But I think it would be more than what they wound up with. Hagelins inability to slot up was a gigantic reason to trade him. IMO, you deal a glorified penalty killer when you know you can't afford to keep him, even if you are headed to the playoffs. Shit, maybe they could have gotten a decent D man, or a young asset who wasn't a bust already? Another D man would have gone a long way for this team back then and now. Far from nonsense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenvold Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Nicklas has extended his deal with Jokerit and directly rejected the Rangers. He said to Danish TV today: "They [the Rangers] wanted me back, but I didn't feel it made any sense. There were no guarantees, so I might as well have ended up playing in the AHL all season". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Yeah, he'd be competing with a slew of guys for a fourth-line role. He's more valuable overseas. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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