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So fucking casual, playing like it’s game 3. We’re fucked

3 minutes ago, Cr00zng said:

If two coaches couldn’t fix it, then neither of them are the reason for lack of scoring on 5v5….

Well yes, that’s my point.

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

They got this. Laviolette will settle things down.  Panarin will show up and hold everyone's hand to victory... again.  

 

LOL. Gotta hope for a  quick PP to start tge 3rd. Let Kreider Kreider..... if he ever gets to the game today. Did anyone tell him it was a 12:30 start?

You didn’t see his assist on our only goal?

1 minute ago, RichieNextel305 said:

If we lose, Carolina clinches top spot in division with 2 wins. They play Chicago and Columbus.

 

Islanders will further strengthen hold on M3. So I’d say yeah, we lose here, it’s us and them.

Islanders instead of Pens/Caps/Det in the 1st round and loses home ice in a potential 2nd round against Carolina. Just a huge fuck up right at the finish line…

Still got 20 minutes left to save this. They’ve done it before.

Just now, BrooksBurner said:

 

No worries, a coach with a system fixes th… oh wait

Season on the line in the 3rd here. They’re losing in the 1st round against the Islanders if they lose today.

Just now, Keirik said:

Listening on the radio so I'm not making any accusations, but I haven't heard Panarins name mu h and his ice time is pretty high among forwards.

 

How is he playing ? 

I didn’t watch the 1st, but in the 2nd he’s been pretty invisble. Was on the PK the first 5 minutes tho.

Zibanejad has been good today, but Roslovic is just a black hole atm

Gus with a great shift. First a shot that barely moved forward and then a pass right to an Isles player in our own zone…

1 minute ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

Well fuck I jinxed that

No I didn’t, ha! Losers

1 minute ago, phillyb said:

The selfish-guaranteed-SOG when you're on a break like that is nice, but that early pass at the blue line to either the trailer or the guy opposite the defender is such a great move. Let's fucking go!

Mr one-dimensional with a great play on the PK there, love to see it

1 minute ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

SCHNEIIDS!! Huge goal

 

Fuck these talentless shitfaces, 6 minute of PP and down 0-1. Losers

Well fuck I jinxed that

SCHNEIIDS!! Huge goal

Fuck these talentless shitfaces, 6 minute of PP and down 0-1. Losers

The one on Trocheck was 10x worse lol

With an Islanders win today a Rangers - Islanders 1st round matchup looks likely. I hope that won't be the case.

5-1 Islanders

1 minute ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

Team is playing well.  Kakko is playing his best hockey of the season with Wennberg . Goodrow, Brodzinski, Vesey has been a good 4th line. Chytil has never impressed me other than when he got hot for a few games in the playoffs and for the 1 stretch last season.  Why risk changing the team chemistry for Chytil?  We aren’t talking an all star.  And who knows what he comes back as.  Too risky a move for me in the playoffs.  If it was January or February I would be in favor of it. 

It's not like they can't take him out again if it doesn't work. Brodz is used to being in and out of the lineup, I don't see that ruining anything.

Chytil had 22g, 45p in 74 games last year playing 3rd line with barely any PP time. He had a really strong season after the good playoffs and most people thought he would have his real breakout this season. Wennberg has 1 goal in 16 games. He's been fine, but I think he would be just as effective on a 4th line with Goodrow and Vesey. And I do think Chytil would provide more offense on the 3rd line than what Wennberg has and this team could use some more secondary scoring.

16 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

At this point Chytil coming back in the playoffs in my opinion doesn’t help them at all.  Comeback next season if possible but this season should be a foregone conclusion that he sits out. 

I don't know, if he's cleared and good to go I think he's a significant upgrade on Brodzinski. Chytil and Kakko has had chemistry together before, so make a "Kid Line v2" and play Wennberg on the 4th line.

Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko

Vesey - Wennberg - Goodrow

Just now, Valriera said:

The team sucks at 5v5 and is tops at literally everything else. 
 

thanks I’ll take it 

Yeah, it’s the same team they’ve been for the last 3 years. Great PP, solid PK and a great goalie. The coaching staff was supposed to magically fix the 5v5 problems according to some people in here, we see now that they haven’t.

That’s not to say this isn’t a good team capable of winning it all with a bit luck, just like in 2022.

26 minutes ago, Pete said:

Imagine paying hundreds of dollars or even a grand to go to a game and see them get blown out?

 

It is what it is. Doesn't it happen in soccer? I don't know, I don't watch that shit. 

 

The "no draw" is an American thing I think. Most team sports when played in a league format usually have draws. Obviously not the same in cups/playoffs.

15 minutes ago, Pete said:

That's all that matters to you, but when other people see a skill set not being utilized, and other players having to pick up the slack for it, it's going to be pointed out. 

It's all that matters to the game really. Score more goals than the opposition. Kreider is great at it.

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

The thing is, you called him clutch but he's only in a position because of other players delivering the puck to the net. 

Well yes, they're playing a team sport. I don't get this argument? Do you say the same about Ovi and his one-timers on the PP?

He scored the GWG three games ago, last game he got us going and gave the team life. First with a great tip and then screening the goalie for the 2nd. No one else on the team does that, not even close to it.

Players play different roles on a team. I'm not gonna get mad at Panarin for not going to the net and screening goalies and I'm not gonna get mad at Kreider for not skating all round the O-zone trying to do things he can't do with the puck. He's reliable defensively and he scores loads of goals. At the end of the day that's all that matters.

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

I don't see it that way. He doesn't hurt you defensively and he only helps you in one dimension offensively. 

So then he does more than just standing in front of the goal, actually a lot more.

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

We're not having a conversation about his salary. We're having a conversation about how much more work Mika has to do because he's playing with a winger who doesn't do everything he can do to impact the play. 

I can agree on that. Kreider pre-2021 was very frustrating because you could see the potential, mainly in his speed and size, but it felt like he refused to do it on a consistent basis. Now he might not have turned into exactly the player we envisioned and hoped for, but he's turned in to one of the more consistent scorers in the entire league and our leading goal scorer over the past 3 years. I think he deserves a lot of credit for finding his place and actually turning into a consistent and clutch player.

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

I never called them a liability. He simply doesn't participate in the play other than standing in front of a net. That's just not good enough as part of a team. 

A bit contradicting, no? I would say that if a player isn't participating in the play, he is a liability.

In a cap league a players salary is very important context when discussing a players productivity. How you perform relative to your salary/cap is all that matters really. You need most of the team to perform at or above their salary if you want to be successful.

54 minutes ago, Pete said:

You guys are having a straw man argument. Nobody has complained about his contract. Nobody is complaining about his goal scoring. 

 

But the fact of the matter is, he's completely invisible most of the night and then deflects in a power play goal or two and it looks good on the score sheet but he has had very little impact on the totality of the game.

 

Some people are okay with that. And that's a fine POV to have. But you can't ignore the reality that the team is basically playing four on five when he's out there.

 

He handles the puck like a hand grenade.

He doesn't use his size or speed to create space for himself or others, even simply by backing in the defense.

He doesn't hit anything. Forget using your body like a wrecking ball, just throwing a body check would be fine. All he does is flyby. 

 

Ever since he came into this league he's always been a player who left you wanting more. And even with all the goals, you still look at the guy and wonder how he can have so little impact for 18 minutes when he scoring goals pretty easily the other two minutes of ice time he's getting. 

 

And you can sit there and talk about Dino Cicarelli, Tomas Holmstrom, Ryan Smyth, Dave Andreychuk, and even Hyman... The difference is that those guys were and are very shitty skaters. Kreider isn't.

 

For somebody to have an elite tool in their bag and choose not to use it is at the least very disappointing and at the most fucking criminal. 

This all boils down to you expecting wayyy too much of a 6.5m LW. You're over exaggerating hos "invisible" he is and he's not even close to being a liability in any way. If he did all what you wanted him to do + score 40-50 goals he would be close to the best player in the league and would demand double of what he makes now.

Saying Kreider does nothing else than score easy goals is so disingenuous. Just because he doesn't use his body like a wrecking ball it doesn't mean he's not doing anything. He's actually a good two-way forward, both the eye-test and underlying stats agree on that, he's got almost as many assists (33) as goals (39) this year. That's not including A LOT of goals that doesn't happen without him screening the goalie, something our entire roster hates/refuses to do.

39 goals, 33 assists, +17 for 6.5 million. Insane value.