TwoMinutesForNothing

1 hour ago, Drew a Penalty said:

First off, this feels like a lot of stat watching. You're making snap judgments about this recent draft class based off a few games.

How does Othmann compare to Ryan Gropp? Gropp was riding the coattails of a significantly more talented Matt Barzal. It was Gordie Clark that decided to say that he thought Gropp was among the top offensive talents in that draft. Gordie Clark has been a pro scout for the team of late. Othmann was picked because he plays a game that already allowed him to compete with adults despite being a junior player. You've just hated the pick since it was made and you even admitted at the time to not knowing much about him. He's done nothing since to prove he wasn't worth the selection.

You're being awfully selective about what information you're including about Grubbe because he didn't play for most of 2021. He's scored 7 goals in his career because he only scored 6 in his first season and then 1 in in the 5 games he played before an injury. Awfully convenient to leave out that injury. He's coming off an ACL injury and isn't a known offensive player. We're gonna call bust because he didn't score in two games?

Brody Lamb is a grinder? Where are you getting this? He's a small scorer. Read any scouting report about him. He doesn't score much? He completely lit up Minnesota high school league with 87 points in 24 games. He just wasn't productive in the USHL immediately with 2 points in 10 games. He has 3 in 3 this year. How is it a negative for him to be in the USHL in his post draft season? He's just doing that to improve before college. You're hyping up Tarnstrom who's playing Swedish junior and he's in his D+2. It's not impressive that he has 13 points in 9 games, that's what he should be doing. If he were any good he'd be in Allsvenskan or the SHL but he isn't yet. So I'm not concerned about a kid most recently out of high school getting more time in a good junior league like the USHL to prep for college. Tarnstrom is putting up a season he should've had a year ago.

So you don't have an accurate take on the first three players and most of the others have a positive to neutral outtake. I guess it really wasn't that bad of a draft. You've also made it very clear that you have a strong distaste for Drury and I'm sure that plays a part in some of the hatred for this. With the exception of Bobrov, all of the scouting staff was the same. Chris Morehouse was running the ship. The braintrust that you're hyping for 2020 was largely the same for 2021. 

I said pretty clearly I was least impressed with Tarnstrom, but he was doing well this year.  So nice to pick that one out lol.  I listed him first because he was picked sooner than other more impressive guys.  And yeah we drafted an undersized high school kid in the 4th round who is still playing in the USHL after he's already been drafted.  Great!  He was ranked 178th among just North American skaters and we picked him at 104 overall.  

Othmann has yet show much of anything offensively anywhere so he's definitely not been riding anybody's coattails.  He compares to Gropp because he's our first pick of a draft who has actually shown very little and was likely a reach of a pick that was forced based on a perceived need.  He hits and the league is starving for that so he was deemed worthy.  In reality Cuylle, who was picked in round 2, 60th overall, so almost round 3, the year prior is a superior prospect because he plays the same style but with actual size and more offense, oh and he played with actual men last year.  Othmann sure racked up PIM in the Swiss league though, nice.

Grubbe has played 64 games of Junior and his is 6'3 200 lbs at 18 years old playing against players mostly the size of children so he had better dominate this season if he's going to become somebody with a shot of making it.  So far that hasn't happened and his strongest assets were toughness and leadership.  More PIM though. Here is his scouting reports...

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https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2021/7/24/22591890/nhl-draft-new-york-rangers-draft-jayden-grubbe-65th-overall

A reliable defensive player who excels in boxing out attackers and inhibiting cycle plays.

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Has a heavy on puck game and average skill, but I don't feel as if he's got the tools or deception to carry offense forward.

 

 

Thrilling stuff!  Our 65th overall pick.

The scouts don't make the picks, they explain the players to the guys who do and try to make a case for guys they like.  All they can do is assess them and it's up to those picking to decide what type for players or intangibles they are targeting.  It couldn't have been more clear that we had different people making those choices this year.  Skill was not a top factor in making these picks.  

Oh and I should add that maybe some of these guys have untapped potential and I hope they do prove me wrong, however the main point is that anybody who was responsible for assembling a draft class like the 2020 one should not be out of a job the following year in any sport for any team.  No matter how you spin it this class will pale in comparison to that one and likely the others directly before it. 

It's gotta be either Mika or Kreider.

Hoping for Kakko though.  I would love to hear his thoughts on as many things as possible.  

17 hours ago, Pete said:

Please unpack this more for us, as the 2021 class has barely played after being drafted. 

The 2020 draft class is looking pretty spectacular at the moment.  You obviously have Laf, Schneider and Cuylle.  Laf was slam dunk, but hitting on the other two is still an accomplishment assuming they don't come crashing down or somehow fall apart.   

Then you have our 3rd round pick Tarnstrom who is not even among the guys I'm most impressed with and he has 13 points and 6 goals in 9 games so far this season. 

Our 5th round pick Brett Berard has been on a huge upward trajectory since being drafted and seems close to a home run and is one of the most exciting picks of this class. 

Other 5th rounder chosen just before Berard still hasn't played hockey yet due to Covid delays so I can't comment, but our 6th rounder Rempe is a 6'8 center who just impressed in NHL camp and then scored 2 goals on 7 shots in his first game back in juniors.  I'd say that's not bad for 6th rounder thus far.  

Then we have 2 goalies, so who knows on them.  All in all an extremely impressive class which seems to contain at least 4 productive NHLers with potential for even more with the talent that is there.  

Even when you look at 2019 it was pretty impressive.  Some will disagree but I think Henriksson pretty much sucks however Robertson in round 2 and Zac Jones in round 3 is nailing it.  Skinner and Edstrom seem like okay picks too but the 2020 draft still blows that one away.  It's just that we were doing very well and then we bring in a whole new regime and see an obvious change in draft philosophy.  This past draft really lacks skill and talent from what I can tell.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Otthman reminds me of when they tried to sell Ryan Gropp as a 1st round talent.  Maybe he develops into something but I think his ceiling is a bottom 6 guy which I'm not a fan of for a 1st round pick.  Grubb and Lamb are grinders who don't score much.  Lamb is 170 lbs and still in the USHL and Grubb is scoreless in his first 2 junior games and has scored 7 goals in his junior career.  We drafted for character, not talent. 

Goalie in the 4th round, again who knows.  Vaisanen in the 4th round is okay and could turn into something maybe but not much offensive upside, maybe a bottom 6 defensive forward.

I like the Czech in the 5th round just because he's Czech and he has size, but he's been pretty bad to start this year with just 4 points in 9 games playing U20 in f'ing Finland.

Then you have a 7th round Dman with no discernible talents.

I've left for last the one pick I really like, 3rd rounder Ryder Korczak.  3 points in first 2 games in Moose Jaw.  Skilled center, only player in this draft class that seems to have real offensive talent unless Otthman really trends up. 

Again the change in philosophy was clear.  They drafted for character and toughness and I just don't see much talent, skill or potential and it seems most of these guys will be capped as role players and most may not even get beyond the AHL for that role.  The whole draft seemed like a waste.  Much rather have talent than character because the ceiling is much higher with something you can't teach.   

1 game, 2 goals.

I think as the year goes on this draft class vs the 2021 class is going the showcase the disparity in the organizational scouting and drafting changes.  This class continues to look exceptional while the 2021 class appears to be a bunch of nonsense.   

Trouba is a healthy scratch numerous times. 

Kakko scores 35 goals.

Thought it was a waste of time and thought the Gandolfini kid was pretty bad in it. 

Trouba will always suck because his biggest weakness is his inability to outlet the puck.  That's not something you can overcome as a defenseman.  The rest of his game is not so bad, but it won't matter when he constantly gets pinned in his own end.  He's awful.

2 hours ago, josh said:

You playing Tinordi over him, lol.

I didn't want Miller in the NHL last season because he was so raw, but he earned it. I think he has to stay. Maybe move him. But he's gotta learn he's not Adam Fox. He's going to be more of a SAH guy that uses his athleticism to break up plays.

Marc Staal with 2 eyes. 

Didn't get to watch this one but feels like a typical Gerard Gallant coaching job, a whole lot of nothing with no direction.  

So we agree that all there are close and all three look like guys we'd like to see playing for us soon.  Fox, Lindgren, Miller are pretty locked in as parts of the future.  So how is Trouba not the odd man out?  The next option I think is trade Lindgren but then you're keeping Trouba at a massively inflated salary.  He's really just in the way.

10 minutes ago, siddious said:

There are scenes with a lot of talking which I thought they could have shortened but I am surprised you are bored. Lot more action in the last two episodes.

Probably because they already lost me.  It could be more interesting than I'm aware but I'm barely following it as a look at crap online.  It was way too much dialogue at the beginning.  Plus even though I'm sure it will have some purpose and is the point of the show, all of the nonstop religious talk kind of gets on my nerves.  

30 minutes ago, CCCP said:

How useless Reeves was.  Slow and unimpressive, even against AHLers.  this guy should only see ice-time when the rangers need to kick someone's ass.  

Hopefully that's how they use him, but I fear it won't be.  Fighting seems like all he's got left now.  I just feel like this is the Brashear signing all over again.  Giving an extra year to a near 35 year old hockey player who started a noticeable decline last season was a very odd move. 

On episode 5, very bored.  Can barely pay attention and not sure what's happening. 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

The problem for guys like Pajuniemi is he's a bit of a one-trick pony. Reminds me of a guy like Pirri from years past. They can work, but they tend to only really make NHL squads that lack viable depth.

That's not a problem the Rangers project to have. Even if you fast-forward to a point where Kreider — the most obvious candidate — is moved, his spot is almost certainly going to be filled by Othmann, not a single-tool player like Pajuniemi.

I haven't watched a whole lot of him, but I think it's a bit soon to declare him a one trick pony.  I was surprised because his offensive game was more well rounded than I was expecting last night and he still may be able to develop a more defensive game now that our coaches have him.  He's only just getting to our organization now and is still pretty young.  I wanna see what some time in Hartford does.  

Was pretty impressed with Pajuniemi.  I knew he could shoot, but he looked really good carrying the puck as well and showed good offensive awareness.  I don't know when, but I think this kid is legit and makes it.  If he can play well enough defensively to fit a bottom 6 role then he will be such a huge luxury as a trigger man on the 2nd PP unit. 

I think Kakko is going to be a monster.  If he puts up 20-30 goals and 50-60 points and plays defensively like he did last season then he's worth at least $8 mil a season. 

26 minutes ago, Phil said:

No. Well, TwoMins might be, but generally, no.

No saying he should replace him now, that ship has sailed. I simply said from the beginning that Goodrow shouldn't have been signed.  If we were legit cup contenders this season then maybe, but we had time to have patience with guys like Hunt and Cuylle.

As I've been saying, cheaper version of Goodrow.  With him and Cullye we really didn't need to spend that money.  But whatever it's not like we're pushing the cap now.  It's just gonna hurt more in a couple years.

We should claim him!

Gotta go out in a bit but can watch for a few mins.  Anyone have a link they can PM?

Okay so these accusation are coming from his wife who we now know already made completely false accusations about him betting on games.  There's not much credibility there and for all we know she may be the fucked up one. That stuff she's accusing him of is awful and it would take a horrendous human being to commit those type of acts.  Just like it would take a nut job to bet on his own hockey games.  I can't give her the benefit of the doubt after the initial lies.  She seems to be out to ruin him.  

7 hours ago, Tonybologna said:

That is a nice mask, wonder if the Ace of clubs and 6 of spades means anything to him

Shest mean 6 in Russian and he is an Ace of a goaltender.  I'm sure that's it.

Was so impressed by Kravtsov's play last season so I had to go with him.  Could be any of them though.