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1 minute ago, Keirik said:

Not really bashing Fox but I, pretty sure Quick could beat him in a race to the puck lol 

Well, his name isn't slow. it's Quick.

Feels like this might be the best game Laf and Kakko have played collectively in their careers as Rangers. First time you look at both of them and go "oh, right, they're actually super talented hockey players"

Does Kakko ever smile anymore? He scores a goal and he looks like you just kicked his dog in the nuts.

Okay, so the key to Kakko scoring is apparently that he is only able to score the 7th goal for us in any given game.

2 minutes ago, RodrigueGabriel said:

Donnie fucking Marshall. Ack. Tough one.

I'm guessing nobody got this one without looking it up or without a goddamn encyclopedic knowledge of the 1950s-1960s Canadiens. 

You get Lafleur because he's Lafleur. Maybe you remember that Doug Harvey played a season or two with the Rangers, or it's somewhere in your memory. Recalling a depth forward on those 50s Habs teams that just so happened to find his way to NYC to play on some of the worst NYR teams ever? No chance.

Kreider Hatty!!!!!

Good god John Giannone. He's barely off the ice and you're already being like "well folks, let's take a look at the guy who's gonna take wheelers spot! Nows as good a time as any!"

Savage, dude.

6 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking that injury might save the Rangers from overcommitting to him, but I felt like an asshole thinking it. Hope he can come back for depth for real. He doesn't have many shots left and this is a real shitty way to go.

I always want to see a guy go out on top or on his own terms. Not like this.

Just now, BrooksBurner said:

Hank says they might need a big hit to change the momentum of this game. I guess we haven't reached helmet throw level of urgency yet

Speaking of wasted efforts, how about all that back and forth about not being able to bench Wheeler between us today?

I looked this one up. You'd have to be some kind of savant to get the third one. 

That's some kind of brain busting trivia question.

Just now, jsm7302 said:

RW depth is now thinner than Sam's combover.....

The kiddie pool is deeper.

That's just brutal. Echoes of Sergachev 

Damn man, between the pocket rocket joke and the hammer lick joke, I gotta ask....

Rought Valentines Day?

Trivia is Mathieu Schneider

44 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

 

A buyout has to be last resort, and the savings has to be used on something that is worth it. If they are buying him out to get different bottom 6 guys, nah, that doesn't fly for me. If they are buying him out to afford an excellent player in the top 6, I think you bite that bullet.

 

Even in the hypothetical "replace Kakko" discussion, you have 4.6M in space (2.2M cap space + 2.4M from Kakko). If you lose Goodrow on top of that, and replace him with an ELC, it's another ~2.7M of space. Now you have $7.3M. It's enough space for a serious upgrade. Not the overpriced crusty crap on the trade bait lists.

There is exactly one RW I'd give that much to on the FA list this offseason. And unfortunately, Sam Reinhart is gonna get like...10M+

1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said:

You wouldn’t retain and attach a pick. It’s one or the other, really. And if it there’s no takers then it’d just be a buyout.

 

I would guess it’s pretty likely that Goodrow won’t be here next year, unless he has a phenomenal playoff and/or the Rangers win a Cup with what’s already here this year.

If you're going to buy out Goodrow, it's really now or never. It's actually a credit for next season, even if the longer term implications are a little worse (~1m/year with one exception in 2026-27 where it's 3.5M)

1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

Roughly, and I don't know how you are that close on the math and don't see why Kakko's cap hit would probably need to go in order to upgrade top 6 RW. 2.2 in space isn't doing anything. 2.2 + 2.4 might. I'd be willing to eat the Goodrow buyout if it meant freeing up that last little bit required, but that depends on the quality of who you can get for the top 6.

 

Adding around the fringes is OK if the fringe doesn't include top 6, such that they need to dump more assets for a top 6 RW rental again at next year's deadline.

Because the upgrade within any reasonable price range doesn't exist anyway. Like, sure, if we off Kakko we could go get...uh...Daniel Sprong, I guess, but everyone else who is out there would require far more roster surgery or would fit into that number. 

I have Othmann penciled in there, anyway. He's as good a roll of the dice as overpaying for someone in FA when we have a few bigger contracts to figure out at the end of next year, anyway. Order the top 6 however you like, it's some combination of Panarin-Trocheck-Laf-Kreider-Mika-Othmann next year, IMO.

47 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

Credit to the G man for making lots of sense today.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, it's a lot to digest, but it helps to understand pretty much some valid reasons as to where we stand and what may or may not come of the situation we're in.

 

Great work man! 

Thanks. 

I don't want to discount that there may be some deals that make a lot of sense for us. To @BrooksBurner's point around an upgrade - we really can't take a big upgrade with term on RW without moving money out, and short of a truly excellent fit being made available, we're just not going to do that.

I'm not discounting the possibility that an excellent fit does come through. You can see them already if the dominoes fall right. But we're not at the point where we should be saying concretely that Kakko needs to go for us to make the cup-winning move.

31 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

 

Lindgren - 4.5

Schneider - 2

Kakko - 2.4 (QO)

ELC contracts to fill out the lineup.

 

Leaves you with 2.2M in space and Jones/Harpur-like-object as your 6/7. There's too many questions surrounding Chytil to plan on his cap hit being available in the summer or to absorb anything substantial being added to the lineup here. He'd essentially have to retire before summer hits to be guaranteed of anything, but let's hope that's not the case for his sake.

So...you did the math and came up with pretty much what I did?

Chytil is better than any free agent we could reasonably consider adding short of a major trade (one of the huge contracts). He's also one of the roster spots that if you know he isn't coming back, you could actually fill within the confines of free agency without killing yourself long-term.

Short of moving Goodrow, which would be nice, we're probably going to be adding around the fringes again, specifically for depth forwards and a 7th D. And that's totally okay, because this years FA is going to be a lot like last years, with a lot of guys settling on less money because there simply isn't that much to go around.

5 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Same. It's really not helping things that Mike is having maybe his worst year as a Ranger, at least in the goal-scoring department.

Getting him going at 5v5 is the single best thing we can do for this team. Find the RW that reminds him that he's Mika fucking Zibanejad, and we're golden.

2 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

I'm pretty sure he's scored most of those points on PP1. Blocked until further notice.

 

I think we have Kakko at about the same value, in that he's a solid young 3rd liner and you don't trade him for a rental. We just disagree that he could or should be used in a deal for an upgrade at the position. Why would another GM do it? Because better players are traded for a mixture of younger talent and assets all of the time.

 

You need Kakko's cap number moved out to absorb a better winger's cap hit (past this year).

I do not think this is true.

We're currently committed to 10 forwards, 4 defenders, and one goalie for next season. We have around 14.5M in space with that setup.

Kakko has barely earned a raise. If he gets 2.3, that's probably a lot. Now we're at 11 forwards and 12.2M.

ELC for 12 and 13 on the forwards. Down to 10.4M

Lindgren probably gets 4.5-5. Schneider gets 3. Backup goalie gets 1. That's 1.4M in space remaining for a 7d. If Chytil cannot come back, it's nearly 6m for a 3c + 7d

No cap crunch here. 

It gets far more interesting when we need to consider Miller and Lafreniere and Shesterkin in 2025, but by then, Goodrow and Trouba are very much up for a decision.

3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Maybe it's something I'm trying to will into existence, but I still wouldn't rule it out. At the very least, they're probably going to get Henrique.

If you made me choose between Henrique and Vatrano for this team, I'd pick Vatrano tbh. Henrique fixes the problem of having Johnny Brodzinski at 3c. Vatrano can fix the problem of "we're getting nothing from two of our top players."

Cuylle-Brodzinski-Kakko works. I don't know why, but it does. And that's fine. 

Just now, Bieser said:

That's what I say every time he has the puck.  If we get an upgrade at RW and fits in somewhere else...fine.  Don't rule out releasing him. 

Nah. They won't release him. It's a politics thing - the dude took a huge pay cut to come here and try and win. It hasn't worked out, but they'll never let him off the team. He may get scratched a few times, but that's as far as it goes.

3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Why not? Like you said, everything pretty much blew up in their face. They're in hardcore rebuild. Yeah, Kakko hasn't been great, but they can probably work with him. They can get Vatrano off the books, they don't really need him if the plan is to just tank further. Jones is alright, they could perhaps get a first or second round pick and/or maybe another player.

Because they're still probably 2-3 years away unless everything goes perfectly. Next year, they'll have a small army of 20-year-olds breaking in, but they're a goalie and multiple key pieces away from being in contention. He also doesn't answer questions for them - they have their own Kaapo Kakko's in Lundestrom and Jones.