MuddyInTheMiddle

Brooks says that this is not a recurring theme(like with Andreson & Kravtsov), but it kind of sort of is. Sitting out training camp doesn't help the Rangers move him with a 4 point 25 games resume. This is also on Drury for holding on to him for too long, as it was obvious at the trade deadline, that there was no spot for him on this roster. I thought he was trade bait. He couldn't have used Lundqvist to build a similar package for Copp, that didn't include either the condition on the 2nd rounder or Morgan Baron? It's kind of funny how they are looking for a center prospect now. I would do Ryan Poehling(who seems similarly blocked in Montreal) straight-up for Lundkvist in a NY minute.

Term is not the issue; it's the AAV. Does he become an annual 30+ goal and/or 60 point guy? If yes, that is good value and will become much better every year as the salary cap goes up. Anything short of that production though and this is an unnecessary overpay any way that you slice it.

I've always liked him going back to his US NDT days, but it's like Buffalo signed him to distract from how bad the Jeff Skinner contract is.

If Stasny and his 21 goals last season is worth a million and a half, maybe it's wishful thinking that Drury is playing a high stakes poker game to get Motte signed for $750-900K. That would be major boss move on his part if that's how it plays out; that good luck meme(below) they posted on social media to all the departing players and that Motte's name was not on it gives me hope. https://www.facebook.com/nyrangers/photos/10159151708944858

It's August and training camps are a month away. The off-season signings have slowed down dribble of about one per day for the entire NHL so that market is more or less set. If you are Drury, who are you offering a tryout contract to from the list below(assuming that they stay unsigned)? https://www.capfriendly.com/ufas I'm thinking: Ryan Murray Tyler Motte Evan Rodrigues Derek Stepan(for nostalgia's sake)

Wishful thinking: Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko Blais-Chytil-Kravtsov Goodrow-Carpenter-Motte Reaves Lindgren-Fox Miller-Trouba Robertson-Schneider Hajek

Ha! Missed that. I think Cullen is the very definition of this thread and is even more so than Strome or Nash. Rozival is the only one that I really see as being more deserving of the top spot.

I completely overlooked that detail in my last post, and it is great to have the bread man as a pull. In all fairness though, that is what he is saying now(supposedly). It might be a different scenario when the trade deadline comes around and he sees the landscape a little better about who has the best chance to win the cup. I have to assume that winning the Stanley Cup will take precedence over playing on Bread's off wing.

Agreed, but it will be a steep price if Chicago is eating half of the cap hit. Every playoff team and their dog will want to add a productive Patrick Kane at that cost. Impossible to say which prospect(s) as we don't know who is going to continue to develop this season with injuries and opportunities factored in; but I would think two first round picks plus will be the ask(depending on the prospect/player going the other way).

Definitely spot on with McLean and Driver, but did anyone think that they were actually going to improve at the end of their careers? Fleury I guess I remember people more having issues more with his off ice problems than his production. Karpa(btw, yes that is his son) was a 5-6 defenseman in Anaheim/Carolina, and was largely the same thing here. Was here during the dark ages so the awfulness that was the Ranegrs and that deal did him in. Holik was the exact same thing , just substitute 3rd line center for 5-6 defenseman. He was never going to be able to handle the role of 1C or 2C. Another oldie but goody that I forgot to mention as I was typing what a miscast 2C Holik was: Matt Cullen

Honorable mention: Bruce Driver John McLean Bobby Holik Theo Fleury Mike Keane Dave Karpa All players that were exactly what they were before they got here, but were universally hated because hey signed big money deals in the no cap era, and didn't magically turn into Hart Trophy candidates.

Tyler Motte still available; what are the chances that he takes a discount from his ask for a 3-4 year term?

As I look at the remaining teams on Cap Friendly with space, I am hard pressed to see who is giving Kadri that supposed 7-8 million X 7 year contract he was looking for.

Yup. The easiest thing to do here would be to ask him to retire and offer him some studio analyst work(which he would probably excel at).

Would love to see both make the team by the end of the season. Unless Othmann outright wins a spot out of camp, and sticks past the 10 games, he needs to go back to the CHL. Cullyle on the other hand has the luxury of not making the team out of camp, and finding his NHL game in the AHL.

This. He owes Drury and Galant a huge thank you note for that contract for trading for him and then for putting him on Panarin's off wing.

Something that I just noticed is that there is No Movement Clause attached to this contract. Not the biggest deal since it's only 1 year. However if I am not mistaken and he just completely poops the bed for 5-6 straight starts and the coaching staff loses all confidence in him, they would have to carry 3 goalies again at the NHL level to start a Domingue or Garand in his place.

Whoops! Wrong thread; I shouldn't day drink. Can one of the admins drop that port into the Off-season Sadness thread?

Am surprised that nobody has offer-sheeted Kaako at 3 million X 2 years. It's a pretty easy flyer that someone could take on his potential, and all they would have to compensate the Rangers is a measly 2nd round pick.

In my best Mr. T voice "I pity the fool who give Kadri 7 years at 7 million"

Of course it's abstract; if you don't think it is tell me what the 12 Forwards, 6 Defensemen, & 2 Goalies will be for the beginning of the 2024-25 season will be and ask a mod to sticky it above. I stated that in my opinion, Trouba is the odd man out if the current variables hold. Chris Drury really doesn't put a lot of weight in my opinions though.

Predicting what management will be thinking two full off seasons from now seems a little abstract to me. It's all just speculation anyway.

Trouba is the odd man out in that scenario, not Lingdren if the variables stay the same.

Muchos gracias!

Anyone have a source for the qualifying offer amounts by player? Cap Friendly has not updated yet.