nyckrash Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I posted stats a few weeks ago, the only players to sign 4+ year deals and complete them with the Rangers are Staal, Girardi and Lundqvist. Their subsequent deals were ... restrainingUmmmm....didn't Girardi get bought out? @NYCKrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckrash Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'd amend that - long UFA-age contracts don't work. I'm not sure I can recall a long contract awarded to a young RFA (24 or younger) that backfired and wasn't an attempt to circumvent the cap.Long term contracts with NMC don't work....have to be able to have an out in the case it doesn't work out. @NYCKrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Aren't the rangers on the hook for his retirement? I thought with a hard cap and his age at signing he was guaranteed the pay. Is there a way to double check? @NYCKrash I believe you are thinking of the 35+ age contracts. Henrik signed his before he was 35 and those other contracts like aLuongo were meant to circumvent the cap so the latest bargaining agreement penalized those type of contracts retroactively if a player retired. Think that’s basically right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Ummmm....didn't Girardi get bought out? @NYCKrash In his second deal. Shows how rare it is for guys to stick around that long. And the few that did, get bought out, or were issues the last 2+ seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Another one on Georgiev https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/the-maple-leafs-wont-part-with-a-roster-player-for-alexandar-georgiev-000917224.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Does the author work for the leafs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Does the author work for the leafs? Sure reads like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Trading Kapanen for Georgiev is fucking insane, he's not wrong about that, but I also don't believe Gorton is really seriously asking for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Or maybe it was written after tonight’s game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckrash Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I believe you are thinking of the 35+ age contracts. Henrik signed his before he was 35 and those other contracts like aLuongo were meant to circumvent the cap so the latest bargaining agreement penalized those type of contracts retroactively if a player retired. Think that?s basically right lolMakes sense @NYCKrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Does the author work for the leafs? Can’t say I disagree with him. The Rangers ask appears to be far above market value, and the idea of Kapanen not being enough is utterly ridiculous. In fact, it makes me think the Rangers aren’t actively looking to trade him unless someone gets desperate enough to massively over pay. In normal circumstances Bracco straight up would be a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Seems everyone throws out Bracco?s name in trades but if Bracco was as good as people think then he would have been up playing in the NHL by now. Keefe was his HC for 2 plus seasons?he has seen Bracco enough to know if he?s ready to play in the NHL, but he?s not. And when you see that Mikheyev, Engvall and Moore have all been brought up ahead of him. I, I question just how good he is. I mean if you?re Toronto wouldn?t you want to give him a shot and see what you have before you move him? So I?m a little hesitant to make a 1 for 1 with Bracco. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Another one on Georgiev https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/the-maple-leafs-wont-part-with-a-roster-player-for-alexandar-georgiev-000917224.html The first part of that article was hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Seems everyone throws out Bracco’s name in trades but if Bracco was as good as people think then he would have been up playing in the NHL by now. Keefe was his HC for 2 plus seasons—he has seen Bracco enough to know if he’s ready to play in the NHL, but he’s not. And when you see that Mikheyev, Engvall and Moore have all been brought up ahead of him. I, I question just how good he is. I mean if you’re Toronto wouldn’t you want to give him a shot and see what you have before you move him? So I’m a little hesitant to make a 1 for 1 with Bracco. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk He's a ppg player in the AHL over the last two seasons, at age 20/21. That type of prospect straight up for a backup goaltender seems like a pretty good deal. I imagine the main reason he's in the AHL is Toronto's excellent strength in depth when it comes to playmaking forwards. The guys you mention are a different type of players afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Mirtle on BSBA OT podcast (Athletic) basically says he doesn't see it happening with Rangers ask. Too much for an uproven backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Bracco is probably correct value, but fuck that. How many pass first, second, and third guys do we need? I'd rather look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Bracco is probably correct value, but fuck that. How many pass first, second, and third guys do we need? I'd rather look elsewhere. I don't know the player particularly well. My point was more that if the Rangers are actively looking to move him, they probably wouldn't turn down a player like that straight up. Lord knows they need forward depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Bracco is probably correct value, but fuck that. How many pass first, second, and third guys do we need? I'd rather look elsewhere. That’s a fair assessment I know Bracco is having a nice year and is a playmaker more than a scorer, but he’s only got like 3 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'd roll the dice on Bracco but absolutely not straight up. I don't think a 2nd with him is enough either. I don't know what else they can do to make it more appealing to deal Georgiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'd roll the dice on Bracco but absolutely not straight up. I don't think a 2nd with him is enough either. I don't know what else they can do to make it more appealing to deal Georgiev. Agree on not straight up. I think they need 2 pieces of some value too. Would you feel differently if it was a high 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Agree on not straight up. I think they need 2 pieces of some value too. Would you feel differently if it was a high 2nd? I'd actually prefer an "almost ready for prime time" prospect or player that can contribute. I actually don't think we're that far from being a playoff team that can make some noise; A little more experience... a little more sound defense... A lot better on Face off's ...and most importantly SHOOT THE FUCKING THING MORE!!! :rofl: But we're not too far away. I'd say the season after next....but that's my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'd actually prefer an "almost ready for prime time" prospect or player that can contribute. I actually don't think we're that far from being a playoff team that can make some noise; A little more experience... a little more sound defense... A lot better on Face off's ...and most importantly SHOOT THE FUCKING THING MORE!!! :rofl: But we're not too far away. I'd say the season after next....but that's my guess. Bracco would qualify as that kind of prospect IMO He doesn’t have that 1st round pedigree. But a 22-year-old who’s got 111 points in his last 115 games and 143 points in 165 games total in the AHL is a ready or close to ready NHL prospect He’d be in the NHL now in most organizations Plus the Rangers don’t have tons of wing depth. He fits I do think though that since they’re trading a known commodity in Georgiev for an unknown one in Bracco in this hypothetical, they need another piece. A low 1st and Bracco is probably the ideal return. Too bad they don’t have a 1st If Toronto wants to give a roster forward, namely Kapanen Johnsson or Kerfoot I’ll take it, but it represents an overpayment and they probably NEED that piece to trade for a D which is the far bigger need. What else is in their organization that makes the deal better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Bracco would qualify as that kind of prospect IMO He doesn’t have that 1st round pedigree. But a 22-year-old who’s got 111 points in his last 115 games and 143 points in 165 games total in the AHL is a ready or close to ready NHL prospect He’d be in the NHL now in most organizations Plus the Rangers don’t have tons of wing depth. He fits I do think though that since they’re trading a known commodity in Georgiev for an unknown one in Bracco in this hypothetical, they need another piece. A low 1st and Bracco is probably the ideal return. Too bad they don’t have a 1st If Toronto wants to give a roster forward, namely Kapanen Johnsson or Kerfoot I’ll take it, but it represents an overpayment and they probably NEED that piece to trade for a D which is the far bigger need. What else is in their organization that makes the deal better? I mean, you’re not getting a high pick + a prospect like Bracco for a backup goalie. Certainly not a young, unproven goaltender with less than 70 games under his belt. That’s literally never happened before. If that’s what they’re looking for it’s not going to happen. And like I said, the Rangers ask suggests they’re not really looking to move him unless someone comes up with a ridiculous offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Bracco would qualify as that kind of prospect IMO He doesn’t have that 1st round pedigree. But a 22-year-old who’s got 111 points in his last 115 games and 143 points in 165 games total in the AHL is a ready or close to ready NHL prospect He’d be in the NHL now in most organizations Plus the Rangers don’t have tons of wing depth. He fits I do think though that since they’re trading a known commodity in Georgiev for an unknown one in Bracco in this hypothetical, they need another piece. A low 1st and Bracco is probably the ideal return. Too bad they don’t have a 1st If Toronto wants to give a roster forward, namely Kapanen Johnsson or Kerfoot I’ll take it, but it represents an overpayment and they probably NEED that piece to trade for a D which is the far bigger need. What else is in their organization that makes the deal better? Good question! The only thing is that I think some of us Rangers fans over value Georgiev a little bit. The guy's a solid backup, but I don't consider him in the company of Fleury, Price, Hank, etc. At the start of the season, I was thinking if we got anything of value at all for him, it would be a tremendous shot in the arm. I just hope we don't get too greedy and blow this thing. I do think Gorton has the luxury to hold out a little bit longer, but not much. There are teams that are going to need a guy like Georgie coming down the stretch, either to make the playoffs or to rest their big gun a little before they start. Either way, we'll win out, but at this point I believe we're playing with house money. We shall soon see how it goes; I'm really looking forward to seeing this regime do it's thing at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Good question! The only thing is that I think some of us Rangers fans over value Georgiev a little bit. The guy's a solid backup, but I don't consider him in the company of Fleury, Price, Hank, etc. At the start of the season, I was thinking if we got anything of value at all for him, it would be a tremendous shot in the arm. I just hope we don't get too greedy and blow this thing. I do think Gorton has the luxury to hold out a little bit longer, but not much. There are teams that are going to need a guy like Georgie coming down the stretch, either to make the playoffs or to rest their big gun a little before they start. Either way, we'll win out, but at this point I believe we're playing with house money. We shall soon see how it goes; I'm really looking forward to seeing this regime do it's thing at the deadline. They can wait till the draft, honestly if they want. This situation with 3 goalies isn’t ideal. But if it persists for another 2 months and change till season’s end, it’s manageable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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