Shane Falco Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 B/c it's the exact opposite of everything they've done over the last ~2.5 years. Their entire approach since the letter has been "acquiring assets" and, as far as I know, they're still in the rebuild. I've said that I hate the timing and overall messaging since pretty much day 1, because it makes expectations unclear, but imagine coming to the deadline and you trade Kreider but extend Fast? That's about as mixed of a message as you can have. Over the course of a year, they could go Deadline - Trade Zucc, Hayes Offseason - Acquire Trouba, Panarin Season - Trade Namest, Send down Chytil/Krav Deadline - Trade Kreider, Extend Fast (since they won't let him walk free) That's wildly inconsistent messaging, without even adding in the lineup issues. Why? You'd be trading a guy who has value but never lived up to his potential (and will probably get paid too much for this team) While keeping a vet who's a leader in the locker room, reliable on the ice and won't break the bank. You have to have some of those guys on a young team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Why is it inconsistent? It's determining who you want here long-term. It says you didn't see the same value in Kreider, the same as you didn't in Hayes, but you do in Trouba, Panarin, and Fast. I'm OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 if you could get a first round pick for Fast, take it and run. i'd fire a GM who gives up 1st rounder for Fast Not getting a first for Fast. They didnt get a first for Zuccarello If you can get anything for Fast, you take it. The room shouldnt be an issue. They've bought out vets in leadership roles every season that would do more damage than an upcoming UFA depth player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Not getting a first for Fast. They didnt get a first for Zuccarello If you can get anything for Fast, you take it. The room shouldnt be an issue. They've bought out vets in leadership roles every season that would do more damage than an upcoming UFA depth playerNot sure how true that is... They bought out underperforming vets who weren't worth their contract. They traded a guy like Callahan because he wanted too much money. A fast once a reasonable amount, they should extend him. Just don't overpay him. You can't go with a team full of rookies and no veteran leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Not sure how true that is... They bought out underperforming vets who weren't worth their contract. They traded a guy like Callahan because he wanted too much money. A fast once a reasonable amount, they should extend him. Just don't overpay him. You can't go with a team full of rookies and no veteran leadership. not sure how Fast is a leader. he seems like a quiet type. maybe a leader by way of hard work? but we have plenty of veteran leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Not sure how true that is... They bought out underperforming vets who weren't worth their contract. They traded a guy like Callahan because he wanted too much money. A fast once a reasonable amount, they should extend him. Just don't overpay him. You can't go with a team full of rookies and no veteran leadership. I was shocked with the current contract. Dont see that happening again. Plus, we know he'll be hurt half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 not sure how Fast is a leader. he seems like a quiet type. maybe a leader by way of hard work? but we have plenty of veteran leadershipI mean the article pretty much lays it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I mean the article pretty much lays it out. exaggerating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 exaggeratingOf course... because that benefits Brooks how? wait, you don't have to answer that. I'm not at all interested in going down this path. He's been the players player how many times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Of course... because that benefits Brooks how? wait, you don't have to answer that. I'm not at all interested in going down this path. He's been the players player how many times? 4? I don't buy player's player crap. Jed ortmeyer and Colton orr won the award. usually a hard-working scrub wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 we're good at low balling our players on this board so whats a good offer and term for fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 $1.7 no more than 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4? I don't buy player's player crap. Jed ortmeyer and Colton orr won the award. usually a hard-working scrub winsWhich is exactly what a glue guy is lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 u think ortmeyer or Colton orr were glue guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ortmeyer being back with the organization in a development role has to be a testament of his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 u think ortmeyer or Colton orr were glue guys?I don't think Orr was ever Players Player and Ortmeyer career needed due to clots. Neither have anything to do with Fast status in the room. You don't buy into that, but the players clearly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I don't think Orr was ever Players Player and Ortmeyer career needed due to clots. Neither have anything to do with Fast status in the room. You don't buy into that, but the players clearly do. orr was, so was strudwick and blair betts. I don't think players buy into it either. if they did, the scrubs above would not be chosen. I don't think they care about this award, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 $1.7 no more than 4 years I really don't understand why we'd lock up a guy like Jesper Fast for 4 years. 2 year deals please. (I didn't read the article about his presence in the locker room or how much of a leader he is or anything) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I really don't understand why we'd lock up a guy like Jesper Fast for 4 years. 2 year deals please. (I didn't read the article about his presence in the locker room or how much of a leader he is or anything) I meant 4 yrs or under is ideal. but no more. 2 years would be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 orr was, so was strudwick and blair betts. I don't think players buy into it either. if they did, the scrubs above would not be chosen. I don't think they care about this award, frankly. Alright. That's completely without basis and totally subjective thought. But, alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Alright. That's completely without basis and totally subjective thought. But, alright. my basis are the scrubs that were chosen. if players were serious about this, Colton Orr would not have been chosen. He was chosen because he stood up for his teammates. would you pay $4M for 4 years for him for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Komarov 4 x $3m Clutterbuck 4 x $3.5 Hagelin 4 x $2.75 Roussel 4 x $3 Not sure Fast has an comparable pedigree to these guys, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 my basis are the scrubs that were chosen. if players were serious about this, Colton Orr would not have been chosen. He was chosen because he stood up for his teammates. would you pay $4M for 4 years for him for that? I didn't say that we should pay Fast $4 million. $3.5 practically doubles his hit now...I'd do 3x$3...around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I didn't say that we should pay Fast $4 million. $3.5 practically doubles his hit now...I'd do 3x$3...around that. 4X4 is what Toronto paid for Colton Orr, I believe. $3M is too much IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I didn't say that we should pay Fast $4 million. $3.5 practically doubles his hit now...I'd do 3x$3...around that. If Fast tests the waters, you think he gets more than 3 million? I don't even know if I would go that high with him. I get the whole "glue guy" thing, I really just don't see Fast as that though, but I'm not in the locker room, so I have no idea. I'm just not feeling keeping Fast if we can get something good for him at the deadline. Kreider, I hope can boost his value before we ship his ass off....where you absolutely KNOW he's going to "regain his scoring touch". We're not winning with Kreider no matter what we do...keep him or trade him. But Fast doesn't tip the scales for me. I think it's much ado about very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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