CBrowningPI Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think they should keep Kreider and continue pursuit of Panarin. Deal middle 6ers for "future considerations" to free up cap space as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think they should keep Kreider and continue pursuit of Panarin. Deal middle 6ers for "future considerations" to free up cap space as needed. This is where I'm leaning too. Forwards lacking some veteran presence and I think Kreider is the ideal type of guy to give that. Thinking if the extension isn't where the Rangers are comfortable, trade him later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I'm a Kreider guy, but trade Kreider and buy low on Zucker. He's locked in at I think 5 mill and can produce like Kreider. Supposedly Minnesota is trying to dump him. If you deal Kreider AND sign Panarin, Zucker could beva solid 2nd liner, who should fit Quinn's style. Do we only want a 1st for Kreider? Gotta be a more fitting swap... Wait wait wait. Screw that. Deal Kreider, sign Simmonds and Panarin. I'm not sure Minny are trying to dump Zucker per se. They wanted to trade him for Kessel who, whatever you think of the fat bastard, brings a different level of scoring ability to a team absolutely desperate for offensive production. That's my understanding, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 This is where I'm leaning too. Forwards lacking some veteran presence and I think Kreider is the ideal type of guy to give that. Thinking if the extension isn't where the Rangers are comfortable, trade him later. I'm all for keeping Kreider on a team friendly deal. Where it becomes tricky is if it becomes clear now that his ask is north of what the Rangers are prepared to pay. I'm not at all convinced Kreider lands you a 1st for next years draft as a rental. Considering everything we've heard about the quality and depth of the 20 draft class I'd expect teams to be even stingier with their 1st rounders than they were this year. I would feel pretty certain there are teams (Philly, Vancouver, Edmonton possibly) willing to give up a 1st rounder + for him at this years draft though. And I'm not sure how much there is to gain keeping him at MSG for a shortened season if they know he won't sign already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I'm all for keeping Kreider on a team friendly deal. Where it becomes tricky is if it becomes clear now that his ask is north of what the Rangers are prepared to pay. I'm not at all convinced Kreider lands you a 1st for next years draft as a rental. Considering everything we've heard about the quality and depth of the 20 draft class I'd expect teams to be even stingier with their 1st rounders than they were this year. I would feel pretty certain there are teams (Philly, Vancouver, Edmonton possibly) willing to give up a 1st rounder + for him at this years draft though. And I'm not sure how much there is to gain keeping him at MSG for a shortened season if they know he won't sign already. Kreider would have made a difference for 14 or 15 playoff teams last season. He'll get a first plus as a rental. He adds more than just points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Kreider would have made a difference for 14 or 15 playoff teams last season. He'll get a first plus as a rental. He adds more than just points. Hayes got a 1st and a player. No way Kreider doesn't get that or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Kreider would have made a difference for 14 or 15 playoff teams last season. He'll get a first plus as a rental. He adds more than just points. Debatable given the market for 50 pts ish wingers at the last deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think next year is a wait and see year. If they're not good, Kreider gets moved at the deadline. Everyone keeps saying it has to happen at draft. It doesn't. If they are adding to the roster and transitioning out of the rebuild somewhat, then you’re right. It can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Zucker got paid for one good season, and a season into that contract, they’re looking to move him. Replacement for Kreider has to be a big strong physical player that can play in front. They have no one else like that. Zucker is the type of player to clog the roster instead of playing kids. Currently, kreider isn’t blocking anyone, but we don’t need more middle 6 players. And no acquiring bad contracts like this. I disagree. Zucker is a pretty good two way forward. Definitely not as physical as Kreider should be (should), and notbas fast, but he's a legit 40-50 point guy. I mean, isn't that what Kreider is? Orcare we still holding out hope that he's going to finally put it all together? 5 mill for a 40-50 point 2nd line player isnt bad at all. We're talking possible 6-7 mill for Kreider? Why does Kreider s replacement have to be... Kreider? No reason they can't go in a different direction. If you need net presence put Lemieux in that spot... Or sign Simmonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I'm not sure Minny are trying to dump Zucker per se. They wanted to trade him for Kessel who, whatever you think of the fat bastard, brings a different level of scoring ability to a team absolutely desperate for offensive production. That's my understanding, at least. https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1787265 Kinda sounds like he is waiting to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 To do what, next year? Be mediocre? I'd rather be bad and get another early first rounder + a first for Kreider. I think next year is a wait and see year. If they're not good, Kreider gets moved at the deadline. Everyone keeps saying it has to happen at draft. It doesn't. I think Pete's right on this one. There really is no hurry. Kreider is still under contract for this season, and should best be playing his ass off this season for a future contract, with whomever it may be. That in itself can light a fire under his ass, and it kills 2 birds with one rock: A) He'll up his value considerably for a trade at the deadline to a contender B) We can also just decide to keep him and offer him an extension For the first time in a long time, the Rangers are holding the cards, and we have a lot of bargaining power with the fact that a generational talent is headed our way, and plenty of young studs on their way up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1787265 Kinda sounds like he is waiting to be traded. I actually forgot he was almost traded to Calgary at the deadline. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think Pete's right on this one. There really is no hurry. Kreider is still under contract for this season, and should best be playing his ass off this season for a future contract, with whomever it may be. That in itself can light a fire under his ass, and it kills 2 birds with one rock: A) He'll up his value considerably for a trade at the deadline to a contender B) We can also just decide to keep him and offer him an extension For the first time in a long time, the Rangers are holding the cards, and we have a lot of bargaining power with the fact that a generational talent is headed our way, and plenty of young studs on their way up! If they weren’t in a position where they were adding more “win now” talent, it’s probably more important to move him sooner to get more for him. But they added Trouba and looking to add Panarin. They can ride it out with him and see what happens if they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I agree man, they're in a pretty decent spot with him right now. We should get a ton from him this year! ...and that bodes well for us in many ways ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I disagree. Zucker is a pretty good two way forward. Definitely not as physical as Kreider should be (should), and notbas fast, but he's a legit 40-50 point guy. I mean, isn't that what Kreider is? Orcare we still holding out hope that he's going to finally put it all together? 5 mill for a 40-50 point 2nd line player isnt bad at all. We're talking possible 6-7 mill for Kreider? Why does Kreider s replacement have to be... Kreider? No reason they can't go in a different direction. If you need net presence put Lemieux in that spot... Or sign Simmonds. The Rangers dont need 40-50 point guys on bad contracts. They dont need middle 6 players. They dont need back contracts. Kreider adds an element this team needs more of. Zucker provides what we already have in Namestnikov, Vesey, Strome. Sign Simmonds... what, just ... No man. These are the types of moves that fuck over the team in 2 years. If you want a Zucker like player, target a cheaper change of scenery guy like Tyson Jost or Andre Burakovsky No Danger Zone contracts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I agree man, they're in a pretty decent spot with him right now. We should get a ton from him this year! ...and that bodes well for us in many ways ;) Unless he white knuckles it all season because he's scared to get traded like Zuccarello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The Rangers dont need 40-50 point guys on bad contracts. They dont need middle 6 players. They dont need back contracts. Kreider adds an element this team needs more of. Zucker provides what we already have in Namestnikov, Vesey, Strome. Sign Simmonds... what, just ... No man. These are the types of moves that fuck over the team in 2 years. If you want a Zucker like player, target a cheaper change of scenery guy like Tyson Jost or Andre Burakovsky No Danger Zone contracts! I’d take CK over Zucker any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Unless he white knuckles it all season because he's scared to get traded like Zuccarello. I'm not sure Kreider would be as timid. Kreider is also at a different point in his career (age). I dunno Josh man....I can't see Kreider burying his head in the sand this season...and think about it...Zucc, if he resigns over there will fetch us yet another #1 pick for 2020. Either way I still think we'll win on the Kreider front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think Pete's right on this one. There really is no hurry. Kreider is still under contract for this season, and should best be playing his ass off this season for a future contract, with whomever it may be. That in itself can light a fire under his ass, and it kills 2 birds with one rock: A) He'll up his value considerably for a trade at the deadline to a contender B) We can also just decide to keep him and offer him an extension For the first time in a long time, the Rangers are holding the cards, and we have a lot of bargaining power with the fact that a generational talent is headed our way, and plenty of young studs on their way up! For me there are too many questions if you go into the year with him and no extension. What if he gets hurt? What if he has a down year statistically? What does this do to team morale with all the trade deadline chatter again? A lot can go wrong here with a pretty valuable asset. It's possible that if contract talks are unreasonably high AND if there isn't a great offer to trade, then carrying him into the season may be a forced backup plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 If they have another slip in morale, every single vet should be removed from this lineup. That will be 3 seasons in a row. Unacceptable. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7c8d9ac5-f902-48a6-a1e2-205d2be48ff1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 For me there are too many questions if you go into the year with him and no extension. What if he gets hurt? What if he has a down year statistically? What does this do to team morale with all the trade deadline chatter again? A lot can go wrong here with a pretty valuable asset. It's possible that if contract talks are unreasonably high AND if there isn't a great offer to trade, then carrying him into the season may be a forced backup plan. I'm sure they have an idea already as to how they're gonna handle it, but I don't think it's that big a risk. If he gets hurt, then we can either still trade him on his potential value at the deadline, or even resign him at a lesser amount due to the injury or absence If he has a down year statistically, he will still garner a decent return based on his past statistics and speed/size value to a contender. Kreider brings more than stats to the table. It's whether he uses them consistently that matters! On top of that, I agree with Josh; If the veteran players here cannot deal with the fact that they're professional athletes and that being traded is part of the game...Hasta la vista baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I'm sure they have an idea already as to how they're gonna handle it, but I don't think it's that big a risk. If he gets hurt, then we can either still trade him on his potential value at the deadline, or even resign him at a lesser amount due to the injury or absence If he has a down year statistically, he will still garner a decent return based on his past statistics and speed/size value to a contender. Kreider brings more than stats to the table. It's whether he uses them consistently that matters! On top of that, I agree with Josh; If the veteran players here cannot deal with the fact that they're professional athletes and that being traded is part of the game...Hasta la vista baby! It's less about the veterans and more about the 18-21 year old kids seeing guys sort of sulk around waiting to be traded again. Love Zuccarello but he was a drag for a while last year. You'd think someone drowned his puppy in front of him at times. Maybe they've gotten rid of enough over the last 2 years that it's not a problem anymore, but it still seems more beneficial to make the decision now rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Yeah I hear ya RMC, but I think Zucc was a bit of a pussy being like that. The guy's supposed to be a professional, and he's making millions of dollars. I get your point though man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Unless he white knuckles it all season because he's scared to get traded like Zuccarello. Yeah, I am thinking the Kreider situation gets resolved by this weekend. That Hayes contract is not helpful. Kreider has too much value now to take a chance on injury or poor performance. The numbers either work or they don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 It's less about the veterans and more about the 18-21 year old kids seeing guys sort of sulk around waiting to be traded again. Love Zuccarello but he was a drag for a while last year. You'd think someone drowned his puppy in front of him at times. Maybe they've gotten rid of enough over the last 2 years that it's not a problem anymore, but it still seems more beneficial to make the decision now rather than later. yes yes yes "It’s very dangerous when players lose hope,” Davidson said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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