RodrigueGabriel Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Rangers haven’t done enough to warrant tradinng away assets, at this point of the rebuild. In a rebuild from the ground-up, what is the benchmark for having "done enough" to trade away assets? They have certainly accumulated a lot of bodies, some of pretty good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 And he’s not a 1d. He’s probably more of a second pair guy. He'd certainly be a 1D now on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 He'd certainly be a 1D now on this team.So would half the guys in my beer league. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 A strong no. 1 defensemen is key to a deep playoff run. A rock that can distribute the puck out of the defensive zone, and lock down forwards in front of the net. The rest of the defensive corps feed off the calm from the no. 1 and elevate their play. Down one goal in the third, a good no. 1 can pinch, join the offensive push, and help tie up the game. No. 1 center, no. 1 defensemen, and goalie are probably the three most important positions on the roster, rank them however you choose. But as long as the Rangers have chaos in their back end, they can't compete. I'm giving up late first round picks, Buchnevich, a prospect - JD can figure out a combination that works - and giving a long-term contract at full-value for Trouba. A long-term deal for a stud defensemen that is just entering his prime? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Almost always the team that gets the best player wins a trade. Trouba is the best player in the trade scenarios listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 In a rebuild from the ground-up, what is the benchmark for having "done enough" to trade away assets? They have certainly accumulated a lot of bodies, some of pretty good quality. Trade #2 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Almost always the team that gets the best player wins a trade. Trouba is the best player in the trade scenarios listed Scott Gomez Martin Erat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 firsts and a top 6 forward for a 26 year old D who we have to pay top dollar? No thanks. That's old Rangers thinking. He's 25, not 26 which makes a big difference considering the majority of a 7 year deal would be prime years as the contract would end when he's 32. "Old Rangers thinking" would be to sign that 32 year old or trade for him when he's 31 -- but not at 25. That seems to fit with what's going on here. I actually think he's a perfect fit in terms of age and asking price at 7m. The debate comes down to who do you give up for him. If he can fill the role that Pietrangelo or Seth Jones fills, then I'll move the listed players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Trouba isn't Pietrangelo or Jones. Paying for an "if" with a bunch of assets is a big problem. He's a good player, but still an "if" when it comes to being a #1 shutdown defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Do skjei, 1 for 1. They get a LHD, Young, good term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 They should probably just pass on this deal I don’t think they get their money’s worth and I don’t feel like Trouba is a true #1 D Maybe he’s a top pairing guy, but as the 2nd guy in the pairing, and at present they don’t have that guy. To be clear, 7 years and about $7.5 per isn’t actually to tier money. It’s the tier below But still. Better to keep the assets and spend that money on their own guys down the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 He's 25, not 26 which makes a big difference considering the majority of a 7 year deal would be prime years as the contract would end when he's 32. "Old Rangers thinking" would be to sign that 32 year old or trade for him when he's 31 -- but not at 25. That seems to fit with what's going on here. I actually think he's a perfect fit in terms of age and asking price at 7m. The debate comes down to who do you give up for him. If he can fill the role that Pietrangelo or Seth Jones fills, then I'll move the listed players.He's not Pietrangelo or Jones and it's not even close. 25 versus 26 doesn't make a big different at all. It's a year, not 3. And regardless, he turns 26 half way through the season in February. Point is, he's not 22. You're giving (2) first round picks, plus a top 6 player, plus $7 over 7 years? Would rather see what Karlsson thinks of $9 million and keep the #20, Lundkvist and Buch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 He's not Pietrangelo or Jones and it's not even close. 25 versus 26 doesn't make a big different at all. It's a year, not 3. And regardless, he turns 26 half way through the season in February. Point is, he's not 22. You're giving (2) first round picks, plus a top 6 player, plus $7 over 7 years? Would rather see what Karlsson thinks of $9 million and keep the #20, Lundkvist and Buch. I agree Though I think Karlsson stays in San Jose and takes the massive deal he has on the table from them, if that is in fact the case. He’d be foolish to turn down all that money from them. No one else comes close to that amount for him. And his homesick wife can go fuck herself. Who wouldn’t want to live out there? One of the best places in the world to live if you’re young, rich and famous. And she’s pining for Ottawa? The more you hear about her and her behavior, the more I think that shit with her and Hoffman’s wife was bullshit or Karlsson’s wife was the main party responsible for that whole mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I’m also adamantly opposed to giving up number 20 or Andersson. They need all the 1st round draft capital they can get in a rebuild and while the early returns on Andersson have been a disappointment, and he was probably a bit of a reach at #7, he still had a grade in approximately the 10-12 range, and he’s played 49 NHL games. Let him play and develop and see where he’s at sometime in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I?m also adamantly opposed to giving up number 20 or Andersson. They need all the 1st round draft capital they can get in a rebuild and while the early returns on Andersson have been a disappointment, and he was probably a bit of a reach at #7, he still had a grade in approximately the 10-12 range, and he?s played 49 NHL games. Let him play and develop and see where he?s at sometime in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I agree Though I think Karlsson stays in San Jose and takes the massive deal he has on the table from them, if that is in fact the case. He?d be foolish to turn down all that money from them. No one else comes close to that amount for him. And his homesick wife can go fuck herself. Who wouldn?t want to live out there? One of the best places in the world to live if you?re young, rich and famous. And she?s pining for Ottawa? The more you hear about her and her behavior, the more I think that shit with her and Hoffman?s wife was bullshit or Karlsson?s wife was the main party responsible for that whole messThe Karlsson's suffered a miscarriage not too long ago. I don't blame his wife for wanting to be with her family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I agree Though I think Karlsson stays in San Jose and takes the massive deal he has on the table from them, if that is in fact the case. He’d be foolish to turn down all that money from them. No one else comes close to that amount for him. And his homesick wife can go fuck herself. Who wouldn’t want to live out there? One of the best places in the world to live if you’re young, rich and famous. And she’s pining for Ottawa? The more you hear about her and her behavior, the more I think that shit with her and Hoffman’s wife was bullshit or Karlsson’s wife was the main party responsible for that whole mess Lol there's nothing wrong with wanting to be close to family and home. That's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yeah I get all that. But she’s married to a millionaire She go to Ottawa whenever she wants. I’ve been through miscarriage myself People get over them. It totally sucks. But life goes on and you have to move forward. It’s unreasonable to make a decision that effects the next 8 years of your life based on an incident that many people deal with and move past in a relatively short period of time Not trying to be insensitive or anything. Just realistic Not to mention that Ottawa didn’t treat them well last time and that franchise will be a mess as long as Melnyk owns it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It's unreasonable to put a timeframe on someone else's recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I agree Though I think Karlsson stays in San Jose and takes the massive deal he has on the table from them, if that is in fact the case. He?d be foolish to turn down all that money from them. No one else comes close to that amount for him. And his homesick wife can go fuck herself. Who wouldn?t want to live out there? One of the best places in the world to live if you?re young, rich and famous. And she?s pining for Ottawa? The more you hear about her and her behavior, the more I think that shit with her and Hoffman?s wife was bullshit or Karlsson?s wife was the main party responsible for that whole mess Couldn?t pay me enough money to live in the cesspool that is California. Living here is bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Couldn?t pay me enough money to live in the cesspool that is California. Living here is bad enough. California is a microcosm of the US. Can?t lump it all together, there are some amazing areas in Cali that i lived in. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It's unreasonable to put a timeframe on someone else's recovery. That’s true But 8 years shouldn’t be in the ballpark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 That?s true But 8 years shouldn?t be in the ballparkThat's not for you or anyone else to say, when making a decision today. Money isn't an issue for them. My issue with your statement is the complete and utter speculation that she's some kind of cancer and was the one who was REALLY responsible for the Hoffman situation. Maybe Hoffman's is wife said "get over it", or something crass like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 That's not for you or anyone else to say, when making a decision today. Money isn't an issue for them. My issue with your statement is the complete and utter speculation that she's some kind of cancer and was the one who was REALLY responsible for the Hoffman situation. Maybe Hoffman's is wife said "get over it", or something crass like that. I can see how you might feel I meant that I didn’t But do you honestly care what I think about Karlsson’s wife? Only saying that she seems to have an awful lot of influence over his decisions I’m old school on that I’ll admit. Especially when he earns probably all of the money. In that situation, I think she should defer to him. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I can see how you might feel I meant that I didn?t But do you honestly care what I think about Karlsson?s wife? Only saying that she seems to have an awful lot of influence over his decisions I?m old school on that I?ll admit. Especially when he earns probably all of the money. In that situation, I think she should defer to him. Just my opinion.I think it's shitty to say that a woman who had a miscarriage should suck it up and defer to her husband because he makes all the money. He's already made close to $50 million. Some things transcend money. Like my wife's mental state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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