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    If it’s only about money panarin is going to cost the rangers more than Tavares got. The whole Florida discount due to income tax is bullshit yet real. I’ve always thought it’s $12m a year to sign him here. Hopefully I’m wrong and it’s less, better yet hopefully he signs in Florida.

    I too would prefer Duchene if I had to choose. Would rather not sign anyone over 5 years right now. But with a gun to my head it’s duchene because of position and team need plus he would cost significantly less which means the buyout is less 4-5 years from now when they need the cap space

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    If Duchene becomes a perennial 70 point center over the next 4-5 years, whoever gets him at 7-8 mill a season will be getting a great deal. My money says he doesn't though. I feel like he's been in the league long enough to see what he is, which is a fairly inconsistent 2nd line C.
    He's been an inconsistent 1st line C, but as a 2c, it doesn't get a whole lot better. I think that's the difference in our perspective. I also probably give a lot more credence to the fact that Colorado was complete poison for him for a while there. I mean, he was a p/g player with Landeskog on his wing, but how is it fair to expect 70 points when Alex Tanguay, Jarome Iginla and John Mitchell are all commonly on your line? I mean, look at the goal scorers here, this is a joke for a guy who was p/g the year before: https://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...1/scoring/2015
    There's probably some reason why he wasn't clicking with some of the more talented guys, but c'mon. Play him a bunch with Mark Stone, and all of a sudden, back to p/g. He doesn't drive lines on his own - which is why he's a 2C - but I think a lot of his inconsistency has been a product of just the environment around him, as much as his own game slipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    If itís only about money panarin is going to cost the rangers more than Tavares got. The whole Florida discount due to income tax is bullshit yet real. Iíve always thought itís $12m a year to sign him here. Hopefully Iím wrong and itís less, better yet hopefully he signs in Florida.

    I too would prefer Duchene if I had to choose. Would rather not sign anyone over 5 years right now. But with a gun to my head itís duchene because of position and team need plus he would cost significantly less.
    Signing Duchene is ďcla$$ic RangersĒ
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Signing Duchene is ďcla$$ic RangersĒ
    No more than any other UFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No more than any other UFA
    Yeah, we don’t want that.

    And there’s a difference between signing the best available free agent and an elite talent.

    Gomez, Drury, Richards, Redden, Duchene
    Fits perfectly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Yeah, we donít want that.

    And thereís a difference between signing the best available free agent and an elite talent.

    Gomez, Drury, Richards, Redden, Duchene
    Fits perfectly!
    No elite talent makes UFA these days.

    Tavares, but that's a special situation. Panarin isn't elite. Neither is Karlsson, now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No elite talent makes UFA these days.

    Tavares, but that's a special situation. Panarin isn't elite. Neither is Karlsson, now.
    Define elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Define elite.
    In a class by himself in a scoring or ability category. MacKinnon elite speed and shot, same with mcDavid. Ovechkin/Stammer elite shot. Crosby plays the entire game on his backhand. Kucherov elite offensive package.

    There are like 15 players giving you Panarin's level. Kane, Goudreau, Pasta, Marner, Seguin, Giroux, Hall, Raantanen.

    He's just not the best at any one thing, or at all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No elite talent makes UFA these days.

    Tavares, but that's a special situation. Panarin isn't elite. Neither is Karlsson, now.
    Since 15-16 when Panarin came in the league

    Panarin
    322 gp
    320 points (8th)
    .99 ppg (10th)

    Tavares
    319 gp
    308 pts (11th)
    .97 ppg (16th)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    In a class by himself in a scoring or ability category. MacKinnon elite speed and shot, same with mcDavid. Ovechkin/Stammer elite shot. Crosby plays the entire game on his backhand. Kucherov elite offensive package.

    There are like 15 players giving you Panarin's level. Kane, Goudreau, Pasta, Marner, Seguin, Giroux, Hall, Raantanen.

    He's just not the best at any one thing, or at all things.
    This is fair. But you insinuated that Tavares is elite and Panarin is not. Josh just covered the case I was going to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Since 15-16 when Panarin came in the league

    Panarin
    322 gp
    320 points (8th)
    .99 ppg (10th)

    Tavares
    319 gp
    308 pts (11th)
    .97 ppg (16th)
    Yea. Those Hawks teams were good.

    While Tavares was making Moulson and Lee relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Yea. Those Hawks teams were good.

    While Tavares was making Moulson and Lee relevant.
    Good numbers with Columbus, too.
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    Oh, and the Rangers should be pretty good, too. So... I dont think we can hold that against either guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Good numbers with Columbus, too.
    Sure. But not elite numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Yea. Those Hawks teams were good.

    While Tavares was making Moulson and Lee relevant.
    Well Anders Lee just scored 28 goals without Tavares so I guess he's actually a decent hockey player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Sure. But not elite numbers.
    I've been trying to write elite talent/skill
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Well Anders Lee just scored 28 goals without Tavares so I guess he's actually a decent hockey player.
    Sure. With Barzal.

    You wanna sign him to play with Howden? Let's revisit the Lee topic, this time next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Sure. With Barzal.

    You wanna sign him to play with Howden? Let's revisit the Lee topic, this time next year?
    This isnt a discussion about Quinn's lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Sure. With Barzal.

    You wanna sign him to play with Howden? Let's revisit the Lee topic, this time next year?
    Barzal scored 62 points. He doesn't elevate players that much lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Barzal scored 62 points. He doesn't elevate players that much lol.
    LOL. OK.

    Time to walk back from the rabbit hole.

    Panarin isn't elite. That's the point.

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