Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 WWE don't have to "redefine the industry". They are the industry. They just put 70,000+ people in a football stadium for Wrestlemania. The tour weekly and fill up arenas all over the world for Monday Night Raw. They're doing just fine. Like I said before, worst case scenario, they scale back slightly similar to what TNA did by filming in slightly smaller stadiums/arenas to continue to operate in the black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangerFan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I never knew Orton did drugs. Steroids? Nice, i'll check it out. I love the 6 sided ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 I never knew Orton did drugs. Steroids? Nice, i'll check it out. I love the 6 sided ring Steroids is most likely, yeah. He's always had a wirey frame, so he was probably taking them fairly often to maintain that heavy build he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 To be clear, most of the veteran roster has, or is doing steroids of some sort - to what degree, it's unknown. HHH himself is a known user, as is Vince McMahon. "Random" drug tests in the WWE have been reported as being anything but, and circumventing said tests is in the favour of both the WWE and its roster - at least in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangerFan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Does John Cena do steroids? I always thought he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm sure the majority of them do. It's not easy to maintain the looks they have without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm sure the majority of them do. It's not easy to maintain the looks they have without them. Gaining to that degree naturally is next to impossible, even if it's your full-time job. Take the toughest hockey player in the NHL, and he does not have that physique whatsoever. Not to your point of maintenance, you're exactly right. It's fitting that Arnold was honoured for his achievements in wresting this year, because he embodies the majority of the culture. Hulk Hogan and Arnold Schwarzenegger sold a generation fase promises as to what the male physique can look like without the intervention of supererogatory measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 The good thing is that wrestling as a whole is moving away from this. TNA have actually done a lot of great work in helping to combat it by pushing talents who don't have the John Cena/Hulk Hogan/Arnold Schwarzenegger look to the top of their cards — guys like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, James Storm, etc. The guy I'd worry about with WWE at this point is Seth Rollins. He's gone from this: http://capricorncity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/roderick-strong-b-tyler-black-roh-09-11-10-scott-finkelstein-1011587795_roC4r-L-1-200x300.jpg To this: http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/87/files/2015/03/Seth-Rollins-WrestleMania-1-850x560.jpg It's not a huge transition, but it might be if he's juicing the way the other guys around him are to maintain his edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangerFan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I know for sure Big Papa Pump Scott Steiner did steroids, his muscles were nasty looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 What do you mean this isn't natural!? http://17r1l63fshd52dy9yakdizhkog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Scott-Steiner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The good thing is that wrestling as a whole is moving away from this. TNA have actually done a lot of great work in helping to combat it by pushing talents who don't have the John Cena/Hulk Hogan/Arnold Schwarzenegger look to the top of their cards — guys like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, James Storm, etc. The guy I'd worry about with WWE at this point is Seth Rollins. He's gone from this: http://capricorncity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/roderick-strong-b-tyler-black-roh-09-11-10-scott-finkelstein-1011587795_roC4r-L-1-200x300.jpg To this: http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/87/files/2015/03/Seth-Rollins-WrestleMania-1-850x560.jpg It's not a huge transition, but it might be if he's juicing the way the other guys around him are to maintain his edge. He actually isn't much bigger Phil, he's simply leaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangerFan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 That is disgusting lol. Cena is right up there with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 You're probably right. I'm just saying, in the past, guys have gone to it to help themselves climb up the card, and stay there. But regardless, it's great to see guys like Joe, Kevin Steen, etc. still getting a decent shot at success despite not being built like Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangerFan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I agree. Daniel Bryant doesn't do steroids at all. He might not even lift weights lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 You're probably right. I'm just saying, in the past, guys have gone to it to help themselves climb up the card, and stay there. But regardless, it's great to see guys like Joe, Kevin Steen, etc. still getting a decent shot at success despite not being built like Superman. Oh, agreed man. One thing that makes wrestling, wrestling - is the diverse assortment of characters. Having a line of GI Joe's sort of deflates that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 And it's a great throwback to some of the best performers in history who preceded the 90's physique-change — Big Van Vader, Dusty Rhodes, Abdullah the Butcher, Yokozuna, Bam Bam Bigelow, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/j80emm5.png 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Pretty much. Dave, did you watch the Wrestling Isn't Wrestling video I posted here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Pretty much. Dave, did you watch the Wrestling Isn't Wrestling video I posted here? I did. I get it. I don't enjoy it anymore (did when I was a kid), but I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreaseCrusader91 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 To me i always enjoyed the athletic part of wresting and the technical aspect. The guys that made it look seamless. Yeah a jackhammer on a guy like Kevin Nash is impressive, but I'll take the work of guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Y2J, Bret Hart, Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, and so on over Cena and company. I've said it before but I got into wrestling because of WCW's Crusierweight and Light Heavyweights in addition to Sting etc. That's what drove me to TNA early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Athleticism is fine, but wrestling is all about the story being told. If all you care for, or what you mostly care for is simply a display of athleticism, the Indies are your calling. They often completely forego story-telling of any kind, instead opting for high octane caliber speed and athleticism to sell their product. For the fans who like that ROH style, it's right up your alley. For me, I'm much more interested in the story being told. It's why I never really gave a shit about the "wrestling" ability of the performer. EC3 is one of the best things going in TNA right now because of how well he can sell himself in stories. He pulls off the holier-than-thou attitude better than most, which makes watching him perform a treat, even if his actual wrestling isn't as technically exciting as it is watching Dean Malenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreaseCrusader91 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Athleticism is fine, but wrestling is all about the story being told. If all you care for, or what you mostly care for is simply a display of athleticism, the Indies are your calling. They often completely forego story-telling of any kind, instead opting for high octane caliber speed and athleticism to sell their product. For the fans who like that ROH style, it's right up your alley. For me, I'm much more interested in the story being told. It's why I never really gave a shit about the "wrestling" ability of the performer. EC3 is one of the best things going in TNA right now because of how well he can sell himself in stories. He pulls off the holier-than-thou attitude better than most, which makes watching him perform a treat, even if his actual wrestling isn't as technically exciting as it is watching Dean Malenko. Oh I enjoy a good story, I was just agreeing with the fact that enjoy less emphasis on the larger guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 I know what you mean. I'm just saying, for me personally, I put far more stock into the effectiveness of the story-telling than I do the athleticism itself. Meaning, I'd rather watch EC3 in a compelling story with an opponent than see Amazing Red do thirty-five flips because he can in a story that means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Phil, did you ever or are you currently subscribed to www network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Nope and nope. The only reason I would even consider it is the old WCW content, but I can just watch that on YouTube for free. It's a cool concept for WWE fans — access to WWE content, other shows, etc. But I almost certainly wouldn't be watching any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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