Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 This is a great contract. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Tampa doing Tampa things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just amazing how they continue to always sign the right player at the right time to the right contract. This is easily a top line center on most teams in the NHL and very frequently on this team. 6M. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 $6.25m for a 40-point player? He’s a great fit and does a lot of things, but for that price he doesn’t put up what’s needed. They’re going to be complaining about this like they complained about Killorn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Cash or Czech said: $6.25m for a 40-point player? He’s a great fit and does a lot of things, but for that price he doesn’t put up what’s needed. They’re going to be complaining about this like they complained about Killorn. *$6.25M for a future Selke winner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Phil said: *$6.25M for a future Selke winner. Within $600k of what Bergeron made for 20 fewer points per season Edited July 13, 2022 by Cash or Czech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Cash or Czech said: Within $600k of what Bergeron made for 20 fewer points per season * that he signed 8 years ago before he became a hall of fame player... I think if you're comparing this guy to Patrice Bergeron you probably don't need to be told how good 6.25M for 8 years of someone who is almost Patrice Bergeron, an future hall of fame player who may as well have that trophy named after him, is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Valriera said: * that he signed 8 years ago before he became a hall of fame player... I think if you're comparing this guy to Patrice Bergeron you probably don't need to be told how good 6.25M for 8 years of someone who is almost Patrice Bergeron, an future hall of fame player who may as well have that trophy named after him, is. 2/3rds of the production of Patrice Bergeron does not equal 90% of the cap hit. Sorry but this is an overpay for me. Be as good as a shut down center as you want. Unless he takes another step in production this is going to be an overpay. If he can increase his output, it’ll be a fantastic deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: 2/3rds of the production of Patrice Bergeron does not equal 90% of the cap hit. Sorry but this is an overpay for me. Be as good as a shut down center as you want. Unless he takes another step in production this is going to be an overpay. If he can increase his output, it’ll be a fantastic deal This guy is a 1C on most teams in the league, and he's only 24. In no universe is this an overpayment. Bergeron signed his deal at 28, four years later, where they bought out the rest of his UFA career. If anything, this is a better deal than that one because it takes him to 32 where he's likely not in his prime and not going to command the same money on his next deal that bergeron did at 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Valriera said: This guy is a 1C on most teams in the league, and he's only 24. In no universe is this an overpayment. Bergeron signed his deal at 28, four years later, where they bought out the rest of his UFA career. If anything, this is a better deal than that one because it takes him to 32 where he's likely not in his prime and not going to command the same money on his next deal that bergeron did at 28. He’s a 40-point shutdown center. He’s nobody’s #1, and that is a heavy premium to pay for someone who doesn’t have offense to the levels you’d expect of a player making over $6mil. He needs to find another gear for this to be worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 It's a lot to pay for 3 years(?) of UFA? Does feel about $1.5M too high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Valriera said: This guy is a 1C on most teams in the league, and he's only 24. In no universe is this an overpayment. Bergeron signed his deal at 28, four years later, where they bought out the rest of his UFA career. If anything, this is a better deal than that one because it takes him to 32 where he's likely not in his prime and not going to command the same money on his next deal that bergeron did at 28. It might be an overpayment, but it's an investment in a guy with incredible upside, who is unequivocally going to compete for multiple Selke trophies in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: *$6.25M for a future Selke winner. What I’ve been saying for quite a while. Very underrated player that is on his way to taking a huge step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrooksBurner Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 A less productive Derek Stepan. Cirelli was blessed to be a part of the team he is on. He’s a great defensive center, but it’s an overpay hoping he develops some more offensively for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 At 6.25? I don't see it that way. In fact, I'm willing to bet that whatever the highest cap hit Bergeron had was right in line with what Cirelli just got relative to cap hit percentage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: $6.25m for a 40-point player? He’s a great fit and does a lot of things, but for that price he doesn’t put up what’s needed. They’re going to be complaining about this like they complained about Killorn. It’s a better contract than the Trocheck retirement deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: At 6.25? I don't see it that way. In fact, I'm willing to bet that whatever the highest cap hit Bergeron had was right in line with what Cirelli just got relative to cap hit percentage. Gotta stop comparing him to Bergeron. The production isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Pete said: Gotta stop comparing him to Bergeron. The production isn't there. I'm not. I said he's a future Selke nominee/winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Phil said: I'm not. I said he's a future Selke nominee/winner. You literally just compared his cap hit to Bergeron's hit in the post I quoted...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 56 minutes ago, Pete said: You literally just compared his cap hit to Bergeron's hit in the post I quoted...? I've been comparing him to not being Bergeron's level despite being close to his cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: I've been comparing him to not being Bergeron's level despite being close to his cap hit. I guess that's my point, they're not comparable. You're right, he shouldn't be paid the same, or even close. But they're different ages and their contracts were signed at different times etc etc. Edited July 14, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: I guess that's my point, they're not comparable. You're right, he shouldn't be paid the same, or even close. But they're different ages and their contracts were signed at different times etc etc. in the past I said Cirelli projected to end up Bergeron-lite before. I might be a bit off and it’s more like “Bergeron-zero” rather than lite but I still think Cirelli’s natural ceiling is a lot higher than we think. Selke is a no brainer to me but I think offensively he’s dynamic but a bit stunted by where he is on a depth chart and pecking order for ice time. I really wanted the Rangers to try and poach him last rfa go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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