Staple Drury Not Happy With Panarin's Performance in Playoffs

[josh]

Donnie Biggs! 

[Sod16]

It is ironic that while Neil Smith came from Detroit, the first organization to focus on Russians, and was booed by Don Cherry troglodytes when he he took the podium and named Kovalev as the first ever Russian first round pick, he went and foisted Colin Campbell, who was so behind the times, on us as coach.  The results were not good.

[Flynn]

Not to side track.. but Fucking Kovalev- He might have the best set of physical tools of any dude to ever wear the sweater.. He had a pile of dog shit between the ears too often, and the "want" was lacking for long stretches.. 

[Sharpshooter]

7 minutes ago, Flynn said:

Not to side track.. but Fucking Kovalev- He might have the best set of physical tools of any dude to ever wear the sweater.. He had a pile of dog shit between the ears too often, and the "want" was lacking for long stretches.. 

Except when he was playing for other teams. lol

[4EverRangerFrank]

On 6/23/2022 at 11:52 AM, Ozzy said:

I don't think any of us were very pleased with Panarin's performance in the playoffs.  You could read it in all the GDT's, that we were waiting and hoping for him to find it, but he never did.  If it was an injury, I'd give it a little bit of a break, but still....

 

I don't see us trading him though.  He has it under the hood.  He probably just needs a good boot in the ass to get back on track for next season.

If he went to a doctor the prognosis would be “Nash Disease.”

 

Harsh? I’m still unhappy with his playoff performance in need of Viagra. 

[The Dude]

7 hours ago, Keirik said:

Huh? Everyone on the internet says it except management and Panarin? 

Neither have spoken about it as far as I know. 

[The Dude]

21 hours ago, Keirik said:

Well, Im being serious. Gourde would be fine as a 2c until Chytil is ready to take that next step. Then you slide Gourde down where he is best. It’s not ideal but Strome wasn’t a 2c until he showed it here. 
 

  However, Gourde was 4th in Tampa scoring when he was playing a 2nd line role. He was playing a 1st line role for the Kraken. Lead the team in TOI among all forwards. We aren’t getting a prototypical 2c unless we want Strome back at a 6m clip or so. 
 

I like the Gourde idea. 

 

Only problem is, you're kinda blocking Chytil by bringing him in. We've seen this situation a bunch of times.

 

Gourde would be used as 2 C and Chytil at 3 C. No room to grow. Chytil won't over take a vet for 2 C unless the job is his to lose to begin with. 

 

If Gallant would go with the kid line as the 2nd line, moving Panarin up to Zibanejads line, you have Gourde sitting there with nobody to play with besides I guess Goodrow and Blais. Is that what we want? It bolsters the lineup for sure. 

 

BUT

 

IMO, If they are going to walk from Strome and Copp and are looking for a 2 C, it has to be for a more physical, two way type. 

 

Gourde is two way, but not physical. If they don't go with a more physical option, I'd rather roll the dice with a kid line 2nd line. Is it worth the assets required to get Gourde here (retained) as the 3 C? 

 

He's an excellent safety valve, if Chytil shits the bed again.  I just don't see the scenario panning out as you have it laid out (which would be perfect).

 

He comes here. He's the 2 C and Chytil is in limbo again. 

 

Gotta figure out how to make that transition for the kids. I don't think it can wait another season, but if Gourde were brought in as the pre defined 3 C. I'm cool with it.  

[Keirik]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Neither have spoken about it as far as I know. 

Do you honestly believe Drury says any of this if Panarin was suffering from so,e injury? IPanarims own exit interview seemed fine. Karaoke in the summer. No mention of anything bothering him. 

[Keirik]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

I like the Gourde idea. 

 

Only problem is, you're kinda blocking Chytil by bringing him in. We've seen this situation a bunch of times.

 

Gourde would be used as 2 C and Chytil at 3 C. No room to grow. Chytil won't over take a vet for 2 C unless the job is his to lose to begin with. 

 

If Gallant would go with the kid line as the 2nd line, moving Panarin up to Zibanejads line, you have Gourde sitting there with nobody to play with besides I guess Goodrow and Blais. Is that what we want? It bolsters the lineup for sure. 

 

BUT

 

IMO, If they are going to walk from Strome and Copp and are looking for a 2 C, it has to be for a more physical, two way type. 

 

Gourde is two way, but not physical. If they don't go with a more physical option, I'd rather roll the dice with a kid line 2nd line. Is it worth the assets required to get Gourde here (retained) as the 3 C? 

 

He's an excellent safety valve, if Chytil shits the bed again.  I just don't see the scenario panning out as you have it laid out (which would be perfect).

 

He comes here. He's the 2 C and Chytil is in limbo again. 

 

Gotta figure out how to make that transition for the kids. I don't think it can wait another season, but if Gourde were brought in as the pre defined 3 C. I'm cool with it.  

It works because while Gourde can be the 2c, he’s just as fine being a role player especially on a team with Goodrow (line mate) and Gallants affinity to use grinders. I don’t think Gourde even skips a beat at 2c or 3c and he’s the type of guy that can drag a line into the fight. That could be exactly what Panarin needs. And if Chytil is growing then Gourde slides down. He also has played wing as well so you might even get a 2nd line of Bread Chytil Gourde. 
 

whether it’s worth it or not. Well, that depends. We are a cap crunched team that cannot afford an impactful UFA. We need to get a bit creative and look for guys that are versatile and have manageable caps. Gourde does. Charlie Coyle does.  Boone Kenner does. Then there are the next tier of those guys like the JT Millers of the world but they are a one year and done here and will need a boat load of assets to obtain. 

[josh]

58 minutes ago, Keirik said:

Do you honestly believe Drury says any of this if Panarin was suffering from so,e injury? IPanarims own exit interview seemed fine. Karaoke in the summer. No mention of anything bothering him. 

Classic Keirik typo post - drink! 
 

@Ozzy

[Keirik]

7 minutes ago, josh said:

Classic Keirik typo post - drink! 
 

@Ozzy

Shut up lol 

[Capt]

I'd trade him if I could.  His contract is going to be a problem if it isn't already.  He sucked in the playoffs.  You cannot have $11.5M disappearing acts in the playoffs and expect to ever win.  The kids are still kids, might as well get rid of the dead weight now and take a step back than have an anchor tied around their neck for their careers.  

[Cash or Czech]

You're losing half your top-6 and asking kids 21-23 years old to step up and start producing. You don't trade away your top regular season scorer while simultaneously doing that. If they do take the next step, we make the playoffs, and Panarin is a ghost again, then the conversation begins about next steps. He's ours next year, bar none. And we need him. 

[Albatrosss]

But he’s the one that gets you there. Goodrow is the one that gets you the Cup.

[Pete]

11 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

You're losing half your top-6 and asking kids 21-23 years old to step up and start producing. You don't trade away your top regular season scorer while simultaneously doing that. If they do take the next step, we make the playoffs, and Panarin is a ghost again, then the conversation begins about next steps. He's ours next year, bar none. And we need him. 

This. People have short memories of when the Rangers couldn't score more than a goal or 2 a game and everything was a slog. 

 

Players as talented as Panarin aren't to be chucked after one mediocre playoff. That's amazingly short sighted. 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Pete

[Mdk154]

On 6/23/2022 at 5:53 PM, The Dude said:

That was a team thing though. No? Lafreniere made a season out of that. 

 

 

Panarin was very pedestrian and played really weak. He wasn't even forchecking at all, which was something I was expecting if he was injured or not. 

 

Odd for Drury to voice his displeasure. Is it a Russian thing? I mean, the whole team was a step behind in every series.  They were out shot by a shit ton. Their D got walked at every opportunity. Fox was just as invisible,  yet he's bitching out Panarin?

 

How about the coach not using home ice for match ups? How about the kid line not getting more looks? Dressing Strome and Hunt over your 2OA pick? Nothing on Trouba playing pretty bad? The entire team sucking at 5v5? 

 

I don't like this. You don't alienate your top player, mo matter how sift he played. 

 

Buchnevich was dealt for peanuts. The Kravtsov situation. Now this.. Gotta wonder if it's a Russian thing. Just a little... 

Agreed. With the kravtsov issue and this...makes me wonder if Drury should learn to voice his displeasure more effectively. If it weren't in large part for panarin for 80 games this year we don't make the playoffs in the spot we did. He may have played average in the playoffs but so did most of the guys in large stretches.

[Mdk154]

On 6/23/2022 at 9:40 PM, Keirik said:

     You’re creating a narrative that isn’t there. Shesterkin is also Russian. Buch wasn’t dealt for peanuts. He was dealt for what they could get for an RFA that had no contract.  Kravtsov really was his one worst enemy. Is Drury stubborn? Probably. But he’s earned that right.

How has he earned that right? He's been on the job for a year. 

[Long live the King]

21 minutes ago, Mdk154 said:

How has he earned that right? He's been on the job for a year. 

 

Little League World Series, duh.

[Keirik]

1 hour ago, Mdk154 said:

How has he earned that right? He's been on the job for a year. 

He has a long career in the league as both a player and post playing as assistant gm for a few years and now GM. Hobey Baker winner, Calder winner, Stanley cup winner, former captain of the Rangers....I'd say he's earned the right to stick to his opinion on hockey knowledg.. 

[Sod16]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Players as talented as Panarin aren't to be chucked after one mediocre playoff. That's amazingly short sighted. 

Nah, Zubov never amounted to much, did he?

[Jdog99]

Panarin looked really good in game 5 - up tempo, attacking, defending...so its not like hes incapable. Im far from giving up on him, and the next step is just to fit him with the right linemates. Down for Chytil to be given a real shot with him.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Jdog99

[josh]

2 hours ago, Keirik said:

He has a long career in the league as both a player and post playing as assistant gm for a few years and now GM. Hobey Baker winner, Calder winner, Stanley cup winner, former captain of the Rangers....I'd say he's earned the right to stick to his opinion on hockey knowledg.. 

Drury’s asset management with Russians is equivalent to Panarin’s playoff performance. 

[Karan]

Not sure why this is such a big 'Russian' thing lol Panarin's one of the biggest offensive cogs this team has and expected to be as such both in the regular season and the playoffs. If you hold a key position in your company, and your boss calls you out for under perfoming in key situations, well what do you expect. Nothing to be gained by your boss buttering you up with feel-good compliments to avoid hurting your feelings. I don't see Panarin as being a sensitive pussy, and only see this as being a good thing going into next season. 

[Keirik]

18 minutes ago, josh said:

Drury’s asset management with Russians is equivalent to Panarin’s playoff performance. 

Sweet hot take. I dont agree with it at all but nice job. 

[josh]

46 minutes ago, Karan said:

Not sure why this is such a big 'Russian' thing lol Panarin's one of the biggest offensive cogs this team has and expected to be as such both in the regular season and the playoffs. If you hold a key position in your company, and your boss calls you out for under perfoming in key situations, well what do you expect. Nothing to be gained by your boss buttering you up with feel-good compliments to avoid hurting your feelings. I don't see Panarin as being a sensitive pussy, and only see this as being a good thing going into next season. 

Buch/Kravtsov - went out and made trades for their positions at the deadline. 

 

it was a season of growth. Not having Kravtsov here was a huge blunder on behalf of management. (But hey, at least they didn’t have to waive Hajek!)