Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Quote This was a tough category to place the team’s leading scorer in. And given Panarin’s full no-move clause for the remaining four years of his contract, it’s darn near impossible to see him going anywhere. However, two league sources said Drury was vocally unhappy about Panarin’s play in the postseason, when he had 16 points in 20 games but not the consistent impact anyone around the Rangers hoped for or needed. If there’s a rift, Panarin could ask out, as near-impossible as it would be to move this mammoth contract. https://theathletic.com/3375740/2022/06/23/rangers-who-stays-who-goes/?source=user_shared_article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Good.. He was softer than newborn turds (not that he's ever a particularly heavy guy), but the IceCapades shit around the boards all game long followed by him yelling "I'm going to attempt a cross ice pass, defenders- get ready" was a tired act I was sure he had some for of injury, if not- he's clearly a Ferrari in 12 inches of snow once the playoffs hit. Edited June 23, 2022 by Flynn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 Agreed. 16 points in 20 games, sure, but the book was out on him from mid-way through the Pens series. He'd get the puck in the DZ, carry through the NZ, enter the OZ, curl to the wall, and hold, looking for a pass to the slot that was never there. At which point he'd simply send the puck into bodies, almost always resulting in a turnover and a chance the other way. Even his round one series winning goal doesn't absolve him of his completely pedestrian performance. 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) I don't think any of us were very pleased with Panarin's performance in the playoffs. You could read it in all the GDT's, that we were waiting and hoping for him to find it, but he never did. If it was an injury, I'd give it a little bit of a break, but still.... I don't see us trading him though. He has it under the hood. He probably just needs a good boot in the ass to get back on track for next season. Edited June 23, 2022 by Ozzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 He perked up a little in the Tampa series, but it was too little too late and the production wasn't there when it mattered most. We're stuck with him, so we need to figure out how he can live up to that contract in the postseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: He perked up a little in the Tampa series, but it was too little too late and the production wasn't there when it mattered most. We're stuck with him, so we need to figure out how he can live up to that contract in the postseason. Or learn to live with who he is. There are guys who get you there and there are guys who get you through. He may not be one of the latter. That sucks, given his contract, but if it's accurate, you have to work around it. It's not like the Rangers are the only team who's high-priced players wilt to some extent in the post-season. Continuing to develop and acquire playoff performers can do a lot to mitigate this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I was stunned by his performance in the playoffs. Stunned. I watched those CBJ series vs. Washington and Boston a few years ago, and he looked great. He looked good a few years ago against Tampa too. Of all the people going into the playoffs on a team full of inexperienced players, he was at or near the bottom of people I was concerned with going in, and at the top (the very top) after these playoffs concluded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 This isn't something that goes away too soon, either. Even if he has another 90+ point season next year, I can see the posts now in the GDT's... "Yeah he's great now against fucking Ottawa and NJ, but come April, he'll suck moose balls again!" ...or something along those lines! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: I was stunned by his performance in the playoffs. Stunned. I watched those CBJ series vs. Washington and Boston a few years ago, and he looked great. He looked good a few years ago against Tampa too. Of all the people going into the playoffs on a team full of inexperienced players, he was at or near the bottom of people I was concerned with going in, and at the top (the very top) after these playoffs concluded. Composition and coaching. Compositionally, those Jackets teams were built like bulls. Dubois (his center), Josh Anderson, Nick Foligno, Ian Cole, Brandon Dubinsky, Boone Jenner, and even Tyler Motte were all key players for those teams. Dubois, Foligno, and Anderson were all staples in their top-six, if I recall correctly. The Rangers, by contrast, simply aren't. Their top-six, talented as it is — and they're skilled as fuck — are shrinking violets when it comes to dictating physical play. It's why they were caved in 5v5 in every single series the team played. They managed to get through Pittsburgh, Carolina, and nearly Tampa, too, by riding an extremely effective power play, where time and space is more prevalent for their skilled players, and elite goaltending, that bailed them out big time at 5v5. Coaching-wise, those CBJ series versus Washington and Boston were lead by Tortorella — a no-nonsense, in your face coach who's teams most always reflect his personality on the ice. This is maybe less of an issue with Gallant, but I don't think you can draw the same level of coaching philosophy between he and his teams as you can with Tortorella and his. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ozzy said: This isn't something that goes away too soon, either. Even if he has another 90+ point season next year, I can see the posts now in the GDT's... "Yeah he's great now against fucking Ottawa and NJ, but come April, he'll suck moose balls again!" ...or something along those lines! I mean, you can just tag @Vodka Drunkenski — he'll be the one beating this drum, probably from game one. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: I mean, you can just tag @Vodka Drunkenski — he'll be the one beating this drum, probably from game one. ....and we thought he was crazy!!! Maybe not so much ! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ERIK- Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 We have to hope he can raise him game come playoff time next season, he wasn't good ,but Copp disappeared after first round and Strome was off and injured also, But can he be expected to elevate his line-mates like he does in the regular season come playoff time? Might be just finding someone else for his line, maybe the answer is already on our roster, maybe it comes from elsewhere. But we aren't trading Panarin so we have to hope they figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Phil said: I mean, you can just tag @Vodka Drunkenski — he'll be the one beating this drum, probably from game one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Phil said: Or learn to live with who he is. There are guys who get you there and there are guys who get you through. He may not be one of the latter. That sucks, given his contract, but if it's accurate, you have to work around it. It's not like the Rangers are the only team who's high-priced players wilt to some extent in the post-season. Continuing to develop and acquire playoff performers can do a lot to mitigate this. I agree, but an $11.4mil playoff disappearing act tanks the cap space we have at play for playoff performers. We saw it with Nash as well. Close but no cigar, and that cap hit hurt. We can hope the cap continues to rise, and it will, but a black hole of your highest paid forward is not the way to win cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 We need to completely reconfigure who he plays with (see Phil's comments above). Strome is not exactly a battering ram. He needs two line mates who can open up some ice for him. Some physicality obviously would help there but so would more speed. I actually was more displeased by his play in the defensive zone (during those interminable sequences). The thing that really impressed me during his first year here was how effective he was in the D zone through guile and savvy. None of that in these playoffs. Quite the opposite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Physicality and size would be nice, but secondary to awareness. Strome was a good center for Panarin because he was constantly moving and getting open. This is what opened up space for Panarin. Most of Copps points came from skating through the middle and being open, not from physical play. Hunt was an aggressive forechecker, but his best play/opportunities were from getting open in front. Panarin is a pesky little forechecker when he wants to be, and a good one too. Strome can get going at times, isn’t a slouch, but not your typical big C. Goodrow couldn’t skate well enough to play there. Although Copp put up points, the entire time it had that feeling you get when you try to write with your other hand. Hunt wasn’t productive. Kakko didn’t fit. Those are all bigger, feisty forecheckers. None worked. you have Panarin another 4 seasons at 11.6m. That’s a huge investment. And he’s a top player in the NHL. You get what works for him, not what typically works for NHL lines. Think the Russian 5. It’s all about the movement and getting open. He needs players that can and will do that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: I see we have a primary challenger. When does campaign season start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: I see we have a primary challenger. When does campaign season start? @Vodka Drunkenskiwins it hands down. but it was evident from almost any tightly contested games during the regular season that Panarin doesnt excel, and thats what the playoffs are. Just kind of funny that I posted that Game 1 of the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Sod16 said: We need to completely reconfigure who he plays with (see Phil's comments above). Strome is not exactly a battering ram. He needs two line mates who can open up some ice for him. Some physicality obviously would help there but so would more speed. I actually was more displeased by his play in the defensive zone (during those interminable sequences). The thing that really impressed me during his first year here was how effective he was in the D zone through guile and savvy. None of that in these playoffs. Quite the opposite. Vally shared a clip earlier in the season of Panarin on a shift and it showed him basically snaking the entire ice, especially in the OZ. Movement, movement, movement. Come playoffs, he was glued to the wall. Ironically enough (since players don't get paid in the playoffs), you couldn't pay him to go to the middle of the ice. 4 minutes ago, josh said: Physicality and size would be nice, but secondary to awareness. Strome was a good center for Panarin because he was constantly moving and getting open. This is what opened up space for Panarin. Most of Copps points came from skating through the middle and being open, not from physical play. Hunt was an aggressive forechecker, but his best play/opportunities were from getting open in front. Panarin is a pesky little forechecker when he wants to be, and a good one too. Strome can get going at times, isn’t a slouch, but not your typical big C. Goodrow couldn’t skate well enough to play there. Although Copp put up points, the entire time it had that feeling you get when you try to write with your other hand. Hunt wasn’t productive. Kakko didn’t fit. Those are all bigger, feisty forecheckers. None worked. you have Panarin another 4 seasons at 11.6m. That’s a huge investment. And he’s a top player in the NHL. You get what works for him, not what typically works for NHL lines. Think the Russian 5. It’s all about the movement and getting open. He needs players that can and will do that. "Physical" tends to be thought of as hitting, which I agree, isn't what's needed. There's a reason I used the term "bull" above. Dubois was one o the best centers he's ever had because of the way he plays in the OZ. He has zero fear muscling his way to the middle of the ice and has the brains to recognize when to do it versus when to find space. It gives extremely skilled and crafty players with vision like Panarin the time and space they need to make the right play. Strome, to me, is a poor man's version of that. He did/does a lot of the same but couldn't do it nearly as well in the playoffs. How much of that was injury, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Phil said: Vally shared a clip earlier in the season of Panarin on a shift and it showed him basically snaking the entire ice, especially in the OZ. Movement, movement, movement. Come playoffs, he was glued to the wall. Ironically enough (since players don't get paid in the playoffs), you couldn't pay him to go to the middle of the ice. "Physical" tends to be thought of as hitting, which I agree, isn't what's needed. There's a reason I used the term "bull" above. Dubois was one o the best centers he's ever had because of the way he plays in the OZ. He has zero fear muscling his way to the middle of the ice and has the brains to recognize when to do it versus when to find space. It gives extremely skilled and crafty players with vision like Panarin the time and space they need to make the right play. Strome, to me, is a poor man's version of that. He did/does a lot of the same but couldn't do it nearly as well in the playoffs. How much of that was injury, I don't know. balls over bull I don’t think it needs to be a bull. It needs to be someone that circle and strike. having a pair is a requirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, josh said: balls over bull I don’t think it needs to be a bull. It needs to be someone that circle and strike. having a pair is a requirement Yup, I'm good with this. We're after the same thing. The best word to use is probably "will." You want guys who attack the net no matter what. No fear. No reservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I feel the same way about his performance during the season. Numbers were quite good but I felt like he wasn’t much of an impact player all season long. Which is almost hard to imagine being a thing. I don’t know what to think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, siddious said: I feel the same way about his performance during the season. Numbers were quite good but I felt like he wasn’t much of an impact player all season long. Which is almost hard to imagine being a thing. I don’t know what to think. I totally get that.. It reminded me of when I look at a basketball box score and see a guy had 21 points and 12 rebounds and I think "that was the quietest 21 & 12 I can remember"... The numbers were there in spades, I just don't remember thinking we'd be fucked if Bread wasn't playing too often this past season. This may very well be a product my being spoiled by the production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: Yup, I'm good with this. We're after the same thing. The best word to use is probably "will." You want guys who attack the net no matter what. No fear. No reservation. And I think that will get Panarin going in the playoffs over a Josh Anderson in the far wing. But he needs linemates that can adjust to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, josh said: And I think that will get Panarin going in the playoffs over a Josh Anderson in the far wing. But he needs linemates that can adjust to his game. Agreed. He needs more Brayden Point, less Josh Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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