Phil Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Mobile link: -- Stone did respond, denying the report: https://www.tsn.ca/stone-denies-report-he-wants-out-i-love-it-here-1.1175794 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Who doesn't want out of Ottawa? Stone just signed a deal one his RFA status, right? Think it was a 1 year deal that bring him to UFA, or no? Duchene will be the next to be quoted by the French media to say, "sucer ma bite, salope." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Wow imagine we sign him and Panarin next offseason if we can clear the space? An elite RW and LW in their primes with all of our center depth. It would be the fastest rebuild ever. If we could somehow lose Staal, Spooner, and Namestnikov it could be easily done. Hayes goes, I still want to keep Zuc though cuz he's the backbone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Wow imagine we sign him and Panarin next offseason if we can clear the space? An elite RW and LW in their primes with all of our center depth. It would be the fastest rebuild ever. If we could somehow lose Staal, Spooner, and Namestnikov it could be easily done. Hayes goes, I still want to keep Zuc though cuz he's the backbone. That would be so freakin' sexy Kreids - Zib - Stone Panarin - Chytil - Buch Zuc - Lias/Hayes - Kravtsov :drool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Since when is Stone elite? Over 7 million for a guy that hasn?t scored 30 goals in his career, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 You lost me at putting Kreider above Panarin. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Since when is Stone elite? Over 7 million for a guy that hasn’t scored 30 goals in his career, no thanks. He had 20 goals and 62 points in 58 games last season. He has developed well. Over a point per game is elite, especially on that trash team. He led the whole team in scoring despite missing 24 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 You have your ranking system mixed up. He?s very good but not elite. Want elite? See MCDavid, Kucherov, Ovechkin, Crosby...those guys are elite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 You have your ranking system mixed up. He’s very good but not elite. Want elite? See MCDavid, Kucherov, Ovechkin, Crosby...those guys are elite I don't think I have it mixed up. He scored 1.07 points per game last season. Ahead of Ovechkin's 1.06 and just behind Crosby's 1.08 and Stone did it with much less talent around him. He was 14th in the league in points per game. That is elite. Last season he was an elite player. https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/leaders.asp?type=Skaters&season=reg&rank=046 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I guess you would debate which you would pick on your team, Stone versus Crosby or Ovechkin. Got it... I?m too tired to look at their first 3 or 4 seasons in the league compared to Stone but I?m sure you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I don't think I have it mixed up. He scored 1.07 points per game last season. Ahead of Ovechkin's 1.06 and just behind Crosby's 1.08 and Stone did it with much less talent around him. He was 14th in the league in points per game. That is elite. Last season he was an elite player. https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/leaders.asp?type=Skaters&season=reg&rank=046 he also played against guys on their night off. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I would take Crosby or Ovechkin. That doesn't mean Stone wasn't an elite player in the league last season. Crosby and Ovechkin aren't available. Stone is. And I don't know if I would take Crosby or Ovechkin for a rebuilding team. Crosby and Ovechkin are also 31 and 33 years old. Stone is 26. Just because he didn't put up a point per game from year one doesn't mean he can't reach a certain level. He has always been very good. Put up 64 points as a rookie. Look at Blake Wheeler's career trajectory and then look at the last 3 years. Sometimes it comes with experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Here's a good article about Stone and the Rangers being a potential fit. https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/9/1/17795868/2019-nhl-free-agency-mark-stone-would-be-excellent-addition-to-new-york-rangers-artemi-panarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 One year doesn?t make you elite, let?s talk ?if? he scores 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 he also played against guys on their night off. lol Lol there?s some truth to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I would take Crosby or Ovechkin. That doesn't mean Stone wasn't an elite player in the league last season. Crosby and Ovechkin aren't available. Stone is. And I don't know if I would take Crosby or Ovechkin for a rebuilding team. Crosby and Ovechkin are also 31 and 33 years old. Stone is 26. Just because he didn't put up a point per game from year one doesn't mean he can't reach a certain level. He has always been very good. Put up 64 points as a rookie. Look at Blake Wheeler's career trajectory and then look at the last 3 years. Sometimes it comes with experience. I mean, stat wise, if Kreider had the same icetime as Stone, he'd be producing at the same rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I mean, stat wise, if Kreider had the same icetime as Stone, he'd be producing at the same rate. Well then Kreider should get more ice time if that's true. Hopefully Quinn realizes that I guess. It's not like Stone got some crazy amount of ice time. His ice time was basically identical to Crosby and Ovechkin's and they all produced points at the same rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 However, thinking about it, that's just not true. Kreider produced .64 points per game in 15 mins of ice time. Give him another 5 mins so you divide that .64 by three and he he produced .21 every 5 mins so in 20 mins of ice time he gives you .85 points per game. Good but not on the same level of the guys we're talking about. But over 82 games with 20 mins of ice time, Kreider would give you 70 points, so he probably does need more ice time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 But the .64 is based off of 15 minutes a game 58 (games played) x 5 (additional minutes) = 290 minutes missed, in your scenario. The equivalent of 19 games at 15 minutes. That's a lot of time to produce for a top line player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Wow imagine we sign him and Panarin next offseason if we can clear the space? An elite RW and LW in their primes with all of our center depth. It would be the fastest rebuild ever. If we could somehow lose Staal, Spooner, and Namestnikov it could be easily done. Hayes goes, I still want to keep Zuc though cuz he's the backbone. Why wait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 No need for an in-season trade, but Panarin (and Stone) sound better than any FAs the past 2 years. Only way to trade for Stone is if they want Hayes and choice of Zuc/Spoon/Names. That won't get it done, so we wait. BTW, Stone is one of the best defensive RWers in the game. Great leader, complete player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just 2 things... 1. Never trust what a guy does in his contract year. 2. All the math in this thread is the reason why points/60 is trash. If a guy scores X point per game and plays Y mins a night, it doesn't mean that if Y goes up, X will. That's not how it works. the 20 minute player is getting different matchups, and maybe he'll get tired with the extra time, and maybe that why we play games and don't just do the math to decide who would win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 That would be so freakin' sexy Kreids - Zib - Stone Panarin - Chytil - Buch Zuc - Lias/Hayes - Kravtsov :drool: I might be more interested in Stone than i would be Panarin. And in the above lineup i don?t see Hayes being a part of it. Zucc potentially gone also. Panarin- Chytil- Stone Kreider- Zib- Buch Vesey- Lias- Kravstov Hayes and Zucc moved for picks or something that helps a struggling blue line. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 You lost me at putting Kreider above Panarin. Lol. That was just because of the line combos. Ofcourse Panarin is better than Kreids, but doesn't mean he have to be on the 1st line. Kessel often played on Pens 3rd line, doesn't mean Guentzel is better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'd rather move Zibanejad to wing and give Kreider more minutes than spend 8+ on Stone. Not a game breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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