Pete Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 No one said elite players. Elite level PROSPECT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 It?s the same thing, you expect them to be elite one day. No one knows what they?re going to be is still the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 With a 7 and 9 overall and be lacking in Elite prospects is decent work? In Pronman?s world very few are labelled as ?Elite prospects?. He reserves that for players projecting as a top 10% in the league in their position. His description of ?High end prospect? is High-end prospect: Projects as a legit top-line forward who can play on your PP1/top pairing defenseman. Iirc Tolvanen is the only player so far to be placed in this bracket. If you get 1 or 2 players fitting that description out of 2 drafts, then yes - I think that?s decent. That being said my gut feeling is we could have used our #7 better. I hope I?m wrong. I also hope it can be offset by the Chytil pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Middelstadt and Whalstrom I’m not sure he considers either of them “elite”, certainly not Wahlstrom. Iirc he only felt Dahlin and Svechnikov were elite prospects coming out of this draft, but let’s see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Rangers had a chance to draft the names I mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Yes, but in the context of this thread/Pronman’s work they aren’t (at least, that’s my guess) considered “elite”. I mean I’d personally argue Mittelstadt is elite and I’m reasonably certain we’re going to regret passing on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 It?s possible but it?s way too early to tell who will be elite at this point, it?s not like we passed Dahlin with the first overall pick to take either of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 It's definitely possible to say who are elite prospects at this time. It's impossible, or at least very difficult, to say with a reasonable degree of certainty who will actually deliver on their promise and turn out to be elite players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I disagree, all players develop differently, it?s way too early to tell about picks from 2017-2018 that aren?t number 1 or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 23. Pittsburgh Penguins The Penguins’ system has followed a similar theme the past few years as they’ve pushed to compete. They are very thin in quality prospects, yet they continue to squeeze out a couple good players at the top of their system. Daniel Sprong, Calen Addison, Filip Hallander and the undrafted Jordy Bellerive are the most recent examples. Sprong’s fantastic rookie AHL season and skill set give them a potential top-six forward they can slot in next season and hope to stretch out the window a little longer. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 31 https://theathletic.com/446764/2018/08/10/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-23-pittsburgh-penguins/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 22. Edmonton Oilers The Oilers’ drafting outside the first round has long been a punchline. I don’t think they’ve done a marvelous job of that in recent years, but it’s steadily been better. Ryan McLeod, Tyler Benson, Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones are examples of players I like that they’ve gotten on Day 2 of the draft. Couple that with a guy like Kailer Yamamoto and the Oilers might yet get some value from a player picked outside the top 10 (I didn’t include Evan Bouchard given he was picked in the top 10). Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 28 https://theathletic.com/439523/2018/08/10/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-22-edmonton-oilers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 It’s the same thing, you expect them to be elite one day. No one knows what they’re going to be is still the point. No it's not. Not at all. An elite player is better than a scrub player the same as an elite prospect is better than a scrub prospect. That has absolutely zero to do with if an elite prospect becomes an elite NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 In Pronman’s world very few are labelled as “Elite prospects”. He reserves that for players projecting as a top 10% in the league in their position. His description of “High end prospect” is Iirc Tolvanen is the only player so far to be placed in this bracket. If you get 1 or 2 players fitting that description out of 2 drafts, then yes - I think that’s decent. That being said my gut feeling is we could have used our #7 better. I hope I’m wrong. I also hope it can be offset by the Chytil pick. This is what I'm getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 This is what I'm getting at. I didn?t read the article to see his breakdown of tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 21. Colorado Avalanche I’ve been critical of the Avs’ drafting over the past decade, but steadily I’ve liked the direction they’ve gone. I don’t see many impact guys in this system aside from fourth-overall pick Cale Makar, but they have been adding some nice pieces over the past two years. With the young assets they have and will get in the Matt Duchene trade, for the most part, this is an organization moving in the right direction. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 20 https://theathletic.com/465759/2018/08/13/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-21-colorado-avalanche/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 20. New Jersey Devils The Devils used to be mainstays toward the bottom of my farm rankings. There is still work to be done here — as using high picks on Pavel Zacha (considered a graduate) and Michael McLeod don’t look great a few years later — but there has been progress. Their 2017 draft provided a ton of depth to the system, 2017 second-rounder Jesper Boqvist has looked very good and 2018 first-rounder Ty Smith was dominant in the WHL. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 5 https://theathletic.com/439518/2018/08/13/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-20-new-jersey/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 19. Toronto Maple Leafs Toronto’s system lacks a top-end talent outside Timothy Liljegren, but there’s a lot of fine-to-good prospects scattered throughout the amateur and pro ranks. Their AHL team, the Toronto Marlies, won a championship on the backs of a lot of prospects as opposed to quad-A guys. I’m not sold a lot of impact guys come out of this pipeline, but there could be quality options to help supplement the core piece Toronto already has. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 13 https://theathletic.com/448379/2018/08/14/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-19-toronto-maple-leafs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 18. Minnesota Wild I realize this ranking comes with a bit of a asterisk given so much value comes from Kirill Kaprizov whose NHL commitment seems tentative but is a heck of a talent. Behind him they have a few solid NHL-ready pieces in Luke Kunin and Jordan Greenway but after trading away a lot of picks lately and a questionable use of a first-round pick on Filip Johansson, the quality depth here isn’t fantastic even if there’s a few sleepers in the system I like. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 6 https://theathletic.com/470478/2018/08/14/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-18-minnesota-wild/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 17. San Jose Sharks The Sharks’ system is an interesting one. Ryan Merkley keeps them out of the basement, as I’m a big believer in his upside. However, their system moved over the year for me due to the progression of several players. There are quite a few guys in their system I have in the “Have a Chance” category that have intriguing skill sets, even if they are long-shots. Overall, I like the depth a lot here even if the top could be better. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 30 https://theathletic.com/471198/2018/08/15/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-17-san-jose-sharks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 16. Dallas Stars Dallas’ drafting has been interesting over the past few years. There’s been reasonable criticism of some of its picks, but at the same time, they have a true top-end defensive prospect in Miro Heiskanen. After him, there are some very intriguing players in this system. The question for this pipeline isn’t whether there are good prospects, because the answer is yes. It’s whether picks like Denis Guryanov and Jake Oettinger will provide a positive return on investment for their draft slot. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 19 https://theathletic.com/471204/2018/08/15/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-16-dallas-stars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 15. Arizona Coyotes Arizona’s AHL team was fun to watch last season, as they had several of the league’s top offensive players. While it’s easy to pick on Dylan Strome, and he’s by no means a perfect player, he looked great in the AHL and seems to be progressing well. I haven’t agreed with all the picks they’ve made in recent years, but there’s certainly talent in this pipeline and the positive progression of several prospects balances out the fact that I’m more bearish on some of the players they’ve picked high recently. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 2 https://theathletic.com/471210/2018/08/15/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-15-arizona-coyotes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 14. Chicago Blackhawks Chicago’s system is quite deep. In fact, in terms of number of prospects ranked, they are tied for first among all teams. The top of the system isn’t too impressive outside Adam Boqvist, but there are a lot of quality prospects throughout their ranks. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 27 https://theathletic.com/447811/2018/08/16/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-14-chicago-blackhawks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 13. Ottawa Senators While Ottawa’s offseason has been, well, interesting, I do think its farm system brings reason for optimism. I can quibble over whether Brady Tkachuk was the right pick at fourth overall in this past draft, or how this system will look next year without a first-round pick, but overall there’s talent in their amateur and pro levels. Team’s 2017 ranking*: No. 12 https://theathletic.com/472643/2018/08/16/nhl-farm-system-rankings-no-13-ottawa-senators/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 I'm not getting a lot of milage here, but I'm keeping it up anyway :cool: Still no sign of the Rangers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Everyone is waiting for the Rangers to start commenting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.