Pete Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 For a guy playing that many minutes, including the PP, on an offense that good, 42 points isn't anything. His pp/60 (1.34) was the same as Ryan Ellis, 28th, and considerably worse than Brady Skjei (1.68), 10th. He only had 1 more even-strength assist (22) than Nick Holden (21). Mac makes a good first pass, that's all he's done offensively since the playoff run in 2014. I don't buy that a shoulder injury made him stop skating. If his shooting % dropped considerably, then maybe there's something chronic, but it didn't, he just stopped shooting, because he stopped making plays with his legs. 40+ points is considered a good offensive year for a defenseman. Ever think he stopped shooting because he knew his shot had nothing on it? That's what happened to Jagr after his shoulder injury. Gaborik, too. Shot totals dipped. They lost confidence. You'll have to explain to me how making plays with your legs has anything to do with shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 40+ points is considered a good offensive year for a defenseman. Ever think he stopped shooting because he knew his shot had nothing on it? That's what happened to Jagr after his shoulder injury. Gaborik, too. Shot totals dipped. They lost confidence. You'll have to explain to me how making plays with your legs has anything to do with shooting. Jagr never stopped shooting, neither did Gaborik until he lost his legs. Mac has never depended on his shot having anything on it. It's not like he's been just ripping bombs his entire career - he skates into the high slot or in tight to score, anything from the point just finds its way through traffic. Your legs give you space to shoot. If you can't skate, you can't get open, especially if you don't have instincts. That's pretty fundamental in every sport - hockey, basketball, lacrosse, soccer. That's how Mac has scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Maybe McD?s broken foot had something to do with his mobility, just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 That was only like 3 games in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I meant maybe there?s a lingering effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Jagr never stopped shooting, neither did Gaborik until he lost his legs. Mac has never depended on his shot having anything on it. It's not like he's been just ripping bombs his entire career - he skates into the high slot or in tight to score, anything from the point just finds its way through traffic. Your legs give you space to shoot. If you can't skate, you can't get open, especially if you don't have instincts. That's pretty fundamental in every sport - hockey, basketball, lacrosse, soccer. That's how Mac has scored. Jagr never stopped shooting? 368...injury...324...249 (Can't find shot attempt info so used shots on goal) Gaby never stopped? 6.2 attempts per game the year before he was injured, 5.2 the year he got hurt. He came back from it, tho. If your upper body is hindered, you can't skate as well. That's pretty fundamental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 LMAO Its been one month out of 5 years. New coach, new system, new team and he's averaging over 23 minutes pr game. He's still just 24 years aswell. Give him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Its been one month out of 5 years. New coach, new system, new team and he's averaging over 23 minutes pr game. He's still just 24 years aswell. Give him some time. I'm all for giving them time right now Zuuc baby!! Even though I did get quite a laugh watching that first Chicago goal. I kept thinking "bowling pins" :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Its been one month out of 5 years. New coach, new system, new team and he's averaging over 23 minutes pr game. He's still just 24 years aswell. Give him some time. He was bad last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 LMAO Really? you too? we are not overworking the contract enough on the current threads? hey, I have an idea! Let's start a thread about all the ins and outs of Brady's contract, since it is so critical in building a good team going forward. It should prevent us from drafting and developing well. Making trades, coaching and making good pasta on Sundays. If you are going to drop us nothing of substance but a nah,na na na na, be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He was bad last year... Yeah we know. Geez. How many Rangers were good last year? Dmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He's still a kid though Giac. Add in the fact that he's never played under a real defensive system as a pro. He played for AV!!! ...need I say more? LOL I'm all for giving these guys time. I'd rather spend the next 2 seasons (AKA: the last year's of Hank's contract, finding out what and who these guys are as players. I'm all for letting them mature and seek their level. Right now it's absolutely impossible to guage what and who they are. They're young, there's a new coach, a new system and most of these guys have probably never evn spoke to one another before training camp this past summer. I say fuck it...let them gel, and let them grow up before we cut them loose and term them "busts". Right now it's more of a comedy show to me. That's the way I have to look at it. I can't set my expectations even remotely close to being a contender. It's going to be a WHILE! ...a long while, and I'm hoping management realizes that before they start shipping guys away for basically nothing. I'll just laugh at this shit show every night and when we're back on top we can look back and say "remember that time when...(fill in the blank)" I can totally see the Rangers giving up on a young guy and he then goes to another team and turns into a superstar....I just hope they stay the course and do this thing the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I'm all for giving them time right now Zuuc baby!! Even though I did get quite a laugh watching that first Chicago goal. I kept thinking "bowling pins" :rofl: Skjei's "Bowling Pin" play is going to live in infamy right along with Mark Sanchez's "butt fumble" in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Really? you too? we are not overworking the contract enough on the current threads? hey, I have an idea! Let's start a thread about all the ins and outs of Brady's contract, since it is so critical in building a good team going forward. It should prevent us from drafting and developing well. Making trades, coaching and making good pasta on Sundays. If you are going to drop us nothing of substance but a nah,na na na na, be funny. You'll have to excuse him, that's about all he's willing to contribute these days, in any thread. Throw him on ignore. It works. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 He was bad last year... You say that as though the context behind it supports that he, and only he, was. No one was good last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 McD was bad last year. G was pretty good the last two years with Tampa. That should tell us something too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He's still a kid though Giac. Add in the fact that he's never played under a real defensive system as a pro. He played for AV!!! ...need I say more? LOL I'm all for giving these guys time. I'd rather spend the next 2 seasons (AKA: the last year's of Hank's contract, finding out what and who these guys are as players. I'm all for letting them mature and seek their level. Right now it's absolutely impossible to guage what and who they are. They're young, there's a new coach, a new system and most of these guys have probably never evn spoke to one another before training camp this past summer. I say fuck it...let them gel, and let them grow up before we cut them loose and term them "busts". Right now it's more of a comedy show to me. That's the way I have to look at it. I can't set my expectations even remotely close to being a contender. It's going to be a WHILE! ...a long while, and I'm hoping management realizes that before they start shipping guys away for basically nothing. I'll just laugh at this shit show every night and when we're back on top we can look back and say "remember that time when...(fill in the blank)" I can totally see the Rangers giving up on a young guy and he then goes to another team and turns into a superstar....I just hope they stay the course and do this thing the right way. Ozzy, I'm with you all the way. I figure by Feb 25 we'll have a better feel of the guys and team, by June even more. It is key to evaluate a lot of these guys this year because many are on 1 and 2 year deals. I'm hardly paying attention to Skjei. More interested in which kids are demonstrating potential and how are they projecting after a season with Quinn. If there are any keepers out of Hayes, Vesey, Names, Spoon. Is Kreids gonna look like the guy he did after returning last year? Is Zib a #1 or a #2? How's the coaching, development and effort? Who can play D, including the forwards? That's what has my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 You'll have to excuse him, that's about all he's willing to contribute these days, in any thread. Throw him on ignore. It works. :) Yeah, but Dunny has top-line potential, I'm not giving up yet. He's smart, well read, and can be funny. But his inner conflict with Trumpism is causing him some humorless angst he'd rather not face. Guessing he doesn't have any time or will to get good info anymore and he's stuck with conservative radio/pods and Fox news. So he won't engage in reason on a high level, anymore. He's reduced to reduction these days. Sorry Dunny, I'll delete if offended, but I still have high expectations. Get back to your skeptical, witty, independent self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Have we had any of these in the last 10 years ? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalkthis is true,we could be stuck with Callahan and Stepan ,almost forgot YANDLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 You say that as though the context behind it supports that he, and only he, was. No one was good last year. They're not lemmings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I think he?s trying to do too much rather than just letting the game come to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He looks so fucking lost out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddynyc Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He's not looking good, but to soon to throw him in the trash bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He looks so fucking lost out there. It did seem like he was trying to do too much, until last night. Lost is a good word for last night. He lost his balance thrice, looked like he lost his confidence and lost some fire last night. Maybe the Zuc pas/penalty/goal fucked with him. Last night was the first time I thought coach should talk to him in private. Maybe some personal film work and dinner. Beat him down, then replenish him. Do something to get his confidence back and asserting himself in the D zone and the O will come. Simplify his game, check his skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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