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You know what, the more I read about the English fans behaviours after the group stages the more I want to retract some of my earlier statements. It’s pretty appalling and as an Englishman I’m pretty ashamed (booing of anthems aside as you all know my thoughts on that). It’s odd because these fans haven’t been in the stadiums since the early to late 90’s. Wembley has been a bit of a library over the past decade or so since the renovation (and clamp down on hooliganism). Very family orientated and watered down so to speak. So I guess with Covid and children perhaps not being vaccinated etc. it has shifted back to old habits. Great atmosphere at times, but too much bullshit from a bunch of idiots. But this is the sign of the times back home since Brexit, toxic island right now in places. Contributed to the reasons why I immigrated. Perhaps I’m out of touch having lived abroad for 4 years now. Such a shame. I want the team to win because they deserve it, and more so Southgate, but don’t do it for the fans if this is how they are gonna behave. Do it for yourselves. Anyways, I was quick to defend them so felt it only right to call them out to when deserved. Also, Hungary got a 2 game ban for their abuse so fair play UEFA, as I was complaining about double standards but clearly there aren’t on this occasion. England rightly finned for the laser incident (again I disagree re the anthem and think Gary Neville’s comments were spot on). That being said, COME ON ENGLAND (“it’s coming home” is getting old and I loved Schmeichel’s comments on it lol, so true and pretty arrogant IMO). Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Yeah that’s what I thought. Always thought it was something to do with his sister but sounds like it was something along those lines lol. Such a good player though. One of the best I’ve ever watched. Love how he literally didn’t care as he had already won everything lol. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Would love to know what Materazzi said lol. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

100%, it’s a reason why a lot of people don’t like the sport and I struggle with it at times. I think I’m simply saying we have had more than our fair share, and it’s nice to get a dubious decision to go our way for once. It’s rare but we’ll take it. It’s not “poor little us” or small nation syndrome etc lol, just nice after some real bad calls over the years to get one in our favour. Every one gets cheated I agree, I just feel we have had more than our fair share. And on the balance of things the Danes got one to so it evens itself out in due course. Now we get a call and people aren’t happy about it lol. But anyway it’s done know so hopefully we make the most of it. All means nothing otherwise. And yes it was Graham Poll (English) who gave 3 yellows in a game lol. Counting isn’t our strong suit clearly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

You know what I think those comments are totally fair with more context. We do have plenty of idiot fans, and Germany probably gets the brunt of it given the rivalry and history etc. which is ridiculous when you really think about it. I guess the problem is social media (which I’m not on for this type of reason) gives these tools a platform. Maybe I just don’t see that perspective given I’m English. I only see my mates and others etc who aren’t douchebags and don’t understand all the constant negativity about us (I get some of it for the reasons you mention and more, I’m not naive to that fact). Anyways, on a lighter note, only one more hangover to go. I feel like complete dog shit today [emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Exactly. Couldn’t agree more. Everyone does it, just so happens it’s one of the rare things we are good at lol. As people have said before ideally it wouldn’t happen in a perfect world, but it’s not. Adds to the atmosphere IMO, no harm done. If anything probably adds motivation to the opposition. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Yeah I get neutrals would root for Denmark, no issue with that, was a nice story after the Erikson situation. But I guess my point is people focus on the penalty and not that incident, both led to goals, both should not have been given. UEFA are gonna fine England for booing anthems, ok fine I don’t agree but can understand it, but why have you not fined the Hungarian fans for their homophobic amuse in the group games. It’s just double standards IMO. I mean, your annoyed that they are excited they made a final for the first time since 1966? I certainly wouldn’t be getting cocky as we haven’t won a thing yet (quite literally for years and years), but of course we are gonna celebrate. Why wouldn’t they? This is uncharted territory for many generations of fans. If you didn’t celebrate your world cups and euro wins more fool you. And yes, the German team is historically far better than the English that’s not up for debate. Not really sure what “2 WW and 1 World Cup” has to do with anything? That was a random comment. Said before in a previous post I didn’t like the singing of the German bombers song etc. That shit is totalling uncalled for and it’s a small group of mindless idiots which sadly you are unlikely to ever eradicate from the game. You get them in all sports stadiums. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

The laser thing the guy (assumedly) should get a lifetime ban. Hate that shit. Someone next to him hopefully gave him a slap. The anthem thing I’ve made my opinion clear on before. Don’t really see the big issue tbh. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Which is all fair, but, it’s interesting that nobody is commenting on the Denmark goal. Great free kick, but should never have been. Braithwaite elbowed Dolberg by accident and the ref thought it was Rice, gave a free kick incorrectly. This immediately led to another free kick where Christiansen dived (might have been Vestergaard), then they score. Nobody is complaining about this, but our dubious penalty is problem. Have to look at both. Ref gets the call right they never score their goal. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Yeah we disagree. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I just think it’s wrong. We got cheated against Argentina (hand if god), we got cheated in ‘98 (never a red for Beckham in a million years, and Campbell scored a perfectly good goal in extra time disallowed), Rooney should never have been sent off against Portugal (Ronaldo even winked as he knows he’s a cheating fuck), we scored against Germany (Lampard, no goal, not that it would have changed the outcome though tbf). There’s a long list. All I’m simply saying is, the one time we get a dubious decision go our way, which was even double checked by VAR, people are crying foul! Get over it, we finally got a call and we’ll take it thanks after all those decisions in the past that have gone against us. Plenty of times we have sucked and deserved to lose, and other times we have been cheated, more than most IMO. I don’t feel bad for the Danes. Under this new stupid format they qualified having won one and lost two. That’s a joke in itself. But they made the most of their opportunity so fair play to them. Yesterday we were the better team by far, especially past the hour mark. When you play with attacking intent and try and win (unlike Italy) you are gonna get incidents like the penalty. I don’t think he dived but I do think it’s a weak call. But, as I said two refs looked at it and agreed. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

I deleted my response to this. I cannot take it seriously. You literally have no idea.

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Says a guy that has never been cheated in a tournament ever. List has nothing to do without, it’s Karma. I said it wasn’t a pen! The ref said it was a penalty, and so did VAR. That’s the sport people want then we’ll play by those rules. We are in the final, I don’t care what fans hate us! COME ON ENGLAND!!! Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

IMO, never a pen. But, Becks never should have seen red, Campbell’s goal should have counted, Rooney never should have seen red, Lampard scored…the list goes on. 2 refs deemed it a pen, if that’s today’s game so be it. I don’t agree and would be pissed if I was Danish, but what goes around comes around. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

This is what concerns me if we make the final. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Spain were the better team by far IMO. I’m glad Italy won though, if we can win tomorrow I want to be the team to break their unbeaten record and I think we match up better against them. But time will tell. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Exactly. He plays the team and the formation to win. I’m super drunk and typing this is a real challenge so… IT’S COMING HOME!!! Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Yes Karan! Atta boy Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

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Footballing masterclass. I mean it’s Ukraine, with respect, so I’m not gonna get carried away, but this is dominance I’ve never seen from us in a tournament since 4-1 against Holland in ‘96. Southgate deserves a ton of credit.

Yeah I think I’m with you there. It ruins the flow and romance of the game. The only positive thing I have to say about it is it gives smaller clubs more hope and helps reduce cheating. For example, ‘smaller’ clubs would never get a call at Old Trafford but that doesn’t happen anymore. But far too many marginal calls IMO. Wouldn’t care if it went tbh. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Sadly the days of Keane and Vieira are gone. They wouldn’t last 5 seconds with VAR lol. I miss that rivalry in the late 90’s and 2000’s so much. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

I just don’t think the anthem thing is a big deal and people are making a mountain out of a molehill. In an ideal world would it happen, of course not. But they are focused on the wrong issues as per usual. We aren’t gonna agree on that one. I get the Italian comment, but my point being if England were to play Italy in Rome in the final in front of a packed house our anthem is getting booed 100%. Of course not, that we agree on. And don’t worry I know you aren’t attacking me/us, I’m genuinely interested in your opinion but appreciate the comment (and hopefully I haven’t offended anyone). By why does every other country with hooligans get a pass? That’s my issue I guess. We’re hated, why aren’t they? Especially as are hooliganism is so mild in comparison over the past 20 years. It’s not really about that at all, our players never settle anything on the pitch, as you rightly state our tournament record lol. It’s more we don’t take it so personally I guess. We simply aren’t bothered by a few boo bird. You boo ours, we boo yours louder. It’s fan rivalry, harmless fun of sorts in the stands. Of course there are lines and limits but I don’t feel we crossed one on that occasion personally. The last point I do agree on. Pogba sucks, especially in a Man Utd shirt. Maguire is poor outside this tournament since leaving Leicester. You need a centre back desperately, and a Keano. I like Rice or Phillips in that role for you and someone like Tarkowski as off season signings, although you likely need a better footballing centre back in this day and age considering City signed Dias. Varane would be huge if that pans out but not sure I see it. Sancho is better than what you have and an upgrade, so long as you address the other holes in the team. Same with signing Van De Beek. Good player, don’t need him. Poor management from above. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

Sorry for the delayed response: 1. Hooliganism was a long time ago you know that right? Barely exists now, only perhaps in lower league rivalries (i.e. Millwall). Also, you realize plenty of other countries have hooligans to right? And what has the super a league got to do with it? If the fans didn’t do what they did people would have a Super League and be complaining about that. So it’s a good job they broke in. Don’t be bitter because it ruined the fixture schedule and cost you the Europa League (joke). Note: wasn’t sure if “some of us are old enough to remember it” was aimed at me or just stating a fact. You are older than me, granted, I’m late 30’s, but I’m English born and raised and lived through hooliganism (only moved to NA in my thirties). My local team Gillingham played Fulham and a guy got stabbed in the alleyway outside the stadium for example. I remember bananas being thrown at John Barnes and all the other shit to. We have plenty to be ashamed of but no more or less than many other nations. 2. Of course there is, I said there was. What I’m saying is nobody hates the Italian fans, for example, despite the fact they are openly racist, far more than the English IMO, but because we boo one of our biggest rivals anthems we are a disgrace. No sorry that’s utter bullshit. Everyone has their priorities wrong. 3. I feel this is an American thing. You guys take anthems way too seriously (and you are entitled to your opinion of course, no offence intended). If Ukraine boo our national anthem tomorrow I literally couldn’t care less. I don’t find it an a front to me, my country, or the Queen. In an ideal world would everyone be prim and proper and show respect, of course (see Rugby and Cricket, very gentlemanly). But never gonna happen anytime soon. Football is a lower class sport supported by many including the dregs of society. Players dive (see Italy today, and I’m not picking on Italy, honest), but people have given up calling that out. Someone cheating on the pitch is far worse than a few fans booing an anthem (and again I’m not naive, I include the likes of Grealish in this). 4. I was merely stating perhaps a reason why we are hated as you say is because our teams are generally very successful in European competitions. Winning breeds jealousy. Was no different when it was the other way around. Perhaps people don’t like us because 2 of the last 3 champions league finals have been between English teams, for example. I don’t know, it’s you that are saying we are hated so you tell me. In short, I think booking the anthem is overblown. We boo’d an old rivals anthem in a huge game in our home stadium. It’s happened before, it will happen again, and it’s happened to us in years past. Not sure I see the big deal and the focus is on the wrong stuff here. Hungary fans get applauded for singing the anthem with the players after they drew with France, but let’s ignore the homophobic slurs they threw at players during games (Ronaldo and I think Mbappe), so much so that Wijnaldum threatened to walk off if it happened to him next game. Nobody comments about that, but a boo’d anthem! Oh my god a disgrace! Get outta here. We are hated because we had hooligans over 20 years ago despite the fact pretty much every large footballing nation has a hardcore hooligan fan base. Seems pretty weak to me. Always makes me laugh though because the English are so indifferent to other fans (aside from Germany and perhaps Argentina due to history). We care more about the product on the pitch and focus all our anger on their perennial underachievement lol. Anyway, at least you won’t hear the booing in Rome, and hopefully we don’t fuck it up again! Enjoy the rest of the tournament (spoiler, if we make the semi’s the Czech or Danish anthem is 100% getting boo’d, albeit perhaps not the extent of the Germany as there is no rivalry). And Sancho was a good signing [emoji106]

Disgusting is a bit excessive if you ask me. Brazil boo Argentina’s anthem and vice versa every time they play. The Scots, Welsh, Argentinians etc. boo ours. Don’t hear us whining about it. What makes me laugh is people have an issue with us booing the anthem but not singing ‘10 German bombers’ (which I do disagree with for the record, and it’s a small minority that do who are just fucking idiots to be fair, although not an excuse). I’m also intrigued as to why many hate the English supporters. I appreciate back in the 90’s that would be valid with hooliganism, but that has long since vanished and if anything we are targeted by opposition hooligans now (see Marseille, Rome, Istanbul etc). Most fans dislike us if anything because our domestic teams are simply better than theirs on a regular basis. Seems a bit rich to say people dislike the English fan base when the Italians and Eastern Europeans etc. are openly racist and/or homophobic on a regular basis at games. The English game has made huge strides in attempting to eliminate this behaviour in stadiums unlike other countries. It still goes on I’m not naive, but it leads to regular lifetime bans and fines etc. more often than not. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk