Future Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I think the rangers just gave 8 million reasons that he'll be quarterbacking the PP, unless he shits the bed Well obviously. But he doesn't even have to shit the bed to be surpassed by ADA or Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 The Adam Fox stuff is premature Yet to play a single professional game. Everyone should slow down on him. He has a potentially bright future and I?m glad they have him, but he?s going to have his ups and downs regardless. How long until Quinn has to scratch his ass? And as of this moment there a 4 RHD on the roster potentially for 3 spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I'm not saying Trouba's a slouch, but he put up 50 points because he ran the PP when Buff was out for almost 40 games. You're focusing on Fox and leaving out ADA. It's not hard to see them running PP1 and Trouba as a 25-point player - or 29 like last year. Point is, he's not sniffing 50 without heavy PP time. I don't care if they pay him $8m to be a 30-point player, I'm not generally worried about points from a defenseman and if he and Skjei are an effective matchup pair so that others (ADA, Fox) can get advantageous matchups, I'm fine with it. I care that they traded for AND paid $8m for a second-pair player. Obviously the Rangers disagree with your assessment that Trouba is second pair. The $8m per is a problem if you are correct. I have low expectations for Fox this year. If ADA is still around in a few years I hope he is third pair/healthy scratch material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 The Adam Fox stuff is premature Yet to play a single professional game. Everyone should slow down on him. He has a potentially bright future and I’m glad they have him, but he’s going to have his ups and downs regardless. How long until Quinn has to scratch his ass? And as of this moment there a 4 RHD on the roster potentially for 3 spots. Agree with this completely. Reminds me of the Vesey situation from a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Well obviously. But he doesn't even have to shit the bed to be surpassed by ADA or Fox. ADA has been around for few years. he has shown talent but overall his body of work isn't that impressive. to think he will surpass Trouba is a stretch Fox hasn't played a game yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I think ADA could put up 70 points in the right situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 ADA has been around for few years. he has shown talent but overall his body of work isn't that impressive. to think he will surpass Trouba is a stretch Fox hasn't played a game yet. On the PP.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I?m agreeing with you lol Lol. Sorry about the tone!! Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I think ADA could put up 70 points in the right situation. maybe playing with Gretzky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 maybe playing with Gretzky Kurrri??Gretzky??Water Bottle ??-Coffey???ADA Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Kurrri——Gretzky——Water Bottle ——-Coffey———ADA Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk lol...he'll still be scratched 50% of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 The Adam Fox stuff is premature Yet to play a single professional game. Everyone should slow down on him. He has a potentially bright future and I?m glad they have him, but he?s going to have his ups and downs regardless. How long until Quinn has to scratch his ass? And as of this moment there a 4 RHD on the roster potentially for 3 spots. That?s true, but he?s had an absolutely outstanding college career as a ppqb. And Trouba really isn?t particularly special as a qb so context is important here. I think it?s entirely possible AdA and, as I said, possibly Fox are both better suited to run pp1 and if so that?s totally fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 They don?t want to McD him either. He?s going to play on the 1st pair. He?s going to play pk1. Does he really need to be pp1 as well? I also think AdA and quite possibly Fox are better pp qb?s anyway.Then we probably overpaid by about $2 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Then we probably overpaid by about $2 million. I’d say about 1.25 Ideally he should be making under 7. If he’d have gotten $50 million over 7 years, I’d have lived with it. Again, I’m happy to have him, but not sure how this works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Then we probably overpaid by about $2 million. I?d say about 1.25 Ideally he should be making under 7. If he?d have gotten $50 million over 7 years, I?d have lived with it. Again, I?m happy to have him, but not sure how this works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 That’s true, but he’s had an absolutely outstanding college career as a ppqb. And Trouba really isn’t particularly special as a qb so context is important here. I think it’s entirely possible AdA and, as I said, possibly Fox are both better suited to run pp1 and if so that’s totally fine. Totally agree He has the appropriate skill set and a history of success in that area, so I have no issue with anyone projecting him to be that guy in that roll. But if he proves to be a liability in his own end, or when he goes through the inevitable ups and downs of being a rookie defenseman in the NHL, what does that do to his confidence, playing time, PP time, and his standing in the eyes of the coaching staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 NHL Top 20 Defensemen 15. Jacob Trouba, New York Rangers Trouba had his most productive season in the NHL in 2018-19, when he had 50 points (eight goals, 42 assists) for the Winnipeg Jets, including 18 on the power play after he had 20 in his first five NHL seasons combined. The 25-year-old was traded to New York on June 17 and agreed to a seven-year contract July 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Yeah, I'll take the 15th best D-man in the league signed for all his prime years for 8m a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Brent Burns is a terrific example of a defenseman that can explode when receiving PP time. Very Trouba-like numbers prior to breaking out at age 29, which aligns with when he began to get a lot of PP time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Brent Burns was a converted forward with better pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Brent Burns is a terrific example of a defenseman that can explode when receiving PP time. Very Trouba-like numbers prior to breaking out at age 29, which aligns with when he began to get a lot of PP time. Burns played 23:00 per night and led all defensemen in PP Time by a mile (3:09) in Minnesota in 2007-08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Burns played 23:00 per night and led all defensemen in PP Time by a mile (3:09) in Minnesota in 2007-08. And? That was also his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 plus he has no front teeth and a long beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 And? That was also his rookie year. The point is that it's not simply TOI that leads to production. It was also his 4th year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 The point is that it's not simply TOI that leads to production. It was also his 4th year..... Hmm. I stand corrected. I didn't know evolving-hockey only goes back to 2007 and I assumed it was his rookie year. I never said TOI was the only indicator, but there is a correlation with points produced and PP time. 07-08 was by far his best year at that point, but he was still young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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