NySPORTS Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Still hard to believe the Rangers letter to the fans and timing of the rebuild was done so right. I think the Blackhawks botched the start of their rebuild. Making the playoffs was perhaps the worst thing for them. Could have potentially moved Toews at the deadline for the upcoming draft. Instead, they kept him, Covid hit, they make the playoffs and AFTER the draft and we learn of a flat cap do they think about moving him. Yikes - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I'm not saying to do it, I'm defending Dave's proposal. This. I was just exploring the cost. Not whether it would be worth it. Eating that much cap for that long is unprecedented. So it was difficult to determine the cost. After that is offset, you look at Toews, a player who hasn't declined statistically, and is a top leader in the league, for three years at $5.25M. Cost is going to be high on that end, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 You can make arguments for and against a trade like that. I just wonder how much better we would be long term if we did that. Adding Toews probably doesn’t really jump the needle full fledged for 2 seasons. At that point we are talking about one more season and a decline in skill anyway, plus the loss of real assets in those picks that we could have used for another piece via trade or draft if things were going so horribly wrong that we still had high picks. Toews fits here, but in his last year with salary retention and as a complimentary piece to a stacked team just missing that special intangible piece, not as a focal point right now imo. If he stays in Chicago, do I revisit this next offseason if we happened to get in the playoffs and go into the second round or so next year? You betcha. I would imagine that part of the value of Toews is that he's a leader who experienced in Chicago the kind of dynasty built through the draft that the Rangers are trying to replicate. You look at teams that haven't been able to put things together after drafting the way we have (Edmonton, Buffalo, etc) missing out on having a player like Toews. His 60-70 points is nice and all, but we've got scoring. He fills a hole at 2C, of course. But it's the experience he brings that would be the x-factor for me. He would add to the culture and that would be felt after he was gone. Not saying I do it, just that I'd consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 This. I was just exploring the cost. Not whether it would be worth it. Eating that much cap for that long is unprecedented. So it was difficult to determine the cost. After that is offset, you look at Toews, a player who hasn't declined statistically, and is a top leader in the league, for three years at $5.25M. Cost is going to be high on that end, as well. Right. There's another way to look at it, as well. Would you rather pay to acquire a 32-year-old Toews at $5.25 million for three years or pay to sign a 35-year-old Toews at $5.25 million for three years? I know which I'd choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This, I was just exploring the cost. Not whether it would be worth it. Eating that much cap for that long is unprecedented. So it was difficult to determine the cost. After that is offset, you look at Toews, a player who hasn't declined statistically, and is a top leader in the league, for three years at $5.25M. Cost is going to be high on that end, as well. From our perspective, if we could have our 2nd line center for 5.25m over the next 3 seasons we would be in good shape. However, the other assets would be rough to give up, particularly the 1sts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Right. There's another way to look at it, as well. Would you rather pay to acquire a 32-year-old Toews at $5.25 million for three years or pay to sign a 35-year-old Toews at $5.25 million for three years? I know which I'd choose. So do I. Neither. The cost to acquire Toews by trade will be higher than he's really worth, and I see no good reason why you pay through the teeth like that for him when you can have Getzlaf, Krejci, or E Staal, for way cheaper and probably more cap savings if you think longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If you are Chicago, who do you want back in return for Toews?? I'd want Fox/Shesterkin, and a 1st in next years draft....They have zero for goalies, and Keith and Seabrook are fossils now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 In reality, that package that Dave offered. Do you prefer having Toews for that price, or offer sheet Cirelli at 6-6.5m for 4 years or so and only lose a 1st and 3rd. If you think Tampa matches then call them first, offer that plus one prospect and see if it gets it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If we are going to fantasize let?s get Kane too. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If we are going to fantasize let’s get Kane too. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I'd rather have the Undertaker!!! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 So do I. Neither. The cost to acquire Toews by trade will be higher than he's really worth, and I see no good reason why you pay through the teeth like that for him when you can have Getzlaf, Krejci, or E Staal, for way cheaper and probably more cap savings if you think longer term. Far from a guarantee any of them make it to market, let alone opt to sign with the Rangers. Free agency pits teams against one another for the services of players who do make it. It's not as low-risk an approach as you're suggesting, because what happens when all three re-sign with their teams and you're now left with nothing? If they like and want Toews, they should get him. I don't know that that should be done this season, but I do know that if he's available and they value him, strike while you can. Musical chairs has a nasty way of leaving someone without a seat, every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Far from a guarantee any of them make it to market, let alone opt to sign with the Rangers. Free agency pits teams against one another for the services of players who do make it. It's not as low-risk an approach as you're suggesting, because what happens when all three re-sign with their teams and you're now left with nothing? If they like and want Toews, they should get him. I don't know that that should be done this season, but I do know that if he's available and they value him, strike while you can. Musical chairs has a nasty way of leaving someone without a seat, every year. Sure, but we're talking trade. Not FA here. Though, I'll guaran-damn-tee Getzlaf hits FA if he isn't traded. While the Bruins and Sabres probably don't want to move on just yet, the Ducks would probably pay someone to take Getzlaf. They're over the cap as it is (prior to sending Backes to San Diego, anyway), and they're likely on another growing pains season - doubly so with no obvious backup to Gibson under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We have enough prospects now where trades like this could become a reality. There is not enough room for all these kids to make the team. They will have to be dealt at some point. I'd certainly take Toews at half price. Are you kidding me? No brainer, IMO. It actually makes me think back for the Brad Richards deal. We don't want Toews when his current deal is up. Right now is when he still has value to a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We have enough prospects now where trades like this could become a reality. There is not enough room for all these kids to make the team. They will have to be dealt at some point. I'd certainly take Toews at half price. Are you kidding me? No brainer, IMO. We need a top pair LD, before making this type of move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We need a top pair LD, before making this type of move. I don't see why it's one or the other. It should be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I don't see why it's one or the other. It should be both. Sure, but the cap is already an issue with all the bonus money. Replacing Strome with Toews at 50% retained is a wash, but how are you fitting a top pair LD? You can't. And this Toews move would give you a brief 3 year window, unless you think you could resign him on the cheap at 35. Toews would be a great add, but the timing just isn't right. He wouldn't make them a contender with the current D. It should be both, but both isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NySPORTS Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If we are going to fantasize let’s get Kane too. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Happy you brought that up. What if one of the Rangers center turns out perfectly capable of playing center. Maybe it’s Laf for all we know. Then suddenly in a year maybe a Kane or somebody is available. Hold the cards tight. There will always be something worth getting. Patience 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Sure, but the cap is already an issue with all the bonus money. Replacing Strome with Toews at 50% retained is a wash, but how are you fitting a top pair LD? You can't. And this Toews move would give you a brief 3 year window, unless you think you could resign him on the cheap at 35. Toews would be a great add, but the timing just isn't right. He wouldn't make them a contender with the current D. It should be both, but both isn't possible. I'm not saying they have to add it all right now. I'm saying Toews for prospects is a no brainer. Bring in a d next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I'm not saying they have to add it all right now. I'm saying Toews for prospects is a no brainer. Bring in a d next summer. But that's the point. So then you add a D next summer. So trade a bunch of your best prospects and picks for 2 years of Toews with adequate defense. You don't win in those two years, you wasted those prospects and now need a replacement for Toews. Its just bad timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 But that's the point. So then you add a D next summer. So trade a bunch of your best prospects and picks for 2 years of Toews with adequate defense. You don't win in those two years, you wasted those prospects and now need a replacement for Toews. Its just bad timing. I don't agree. Just resign him if he does well. In the meantime the young guys on the team learn from a 3x Stanley cup champion. They wouldn't be trading their best prospects either. Kakko and Lafrenier are staying. Maybe you ship kravstov and a young dman though plus a 1st or something along those lines. That's the whole point of having these prospects in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If the price is right they have to consider getting Toews or any player for that matter. I would offer Chytil, Buchnevich & Robertson as a starter and see what they counter with Chicago retaining salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NySPORTS Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 But that's the point. So then you add a D next summer. So trade a bunch of your best prospects and picks for 2 years of Toews with adequate defense. You don't win in those two years, you wasted those prospects and now need a replacement for Toews. Its just bad timing. I would think the Rangers would resign Strome before trading players for Toews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We need a top pair LD, before making this type of move. IDK, I dont want anything long term. If it's a good cap hit and a year or two, sure. Too many LHD prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 I don't agree. Just resign him if he does well. In the meantime the young guys on the team learn from a 3x Stanley cup champion. They wouldn't be trading their best prospects either. Kakko and Lafrenier are staying. Maybe you ship kravstov and a young dman though plus a 1st or something along those lines. That's the whole point of having these prospects in the first place. Agreed here. Toews is exactly what the Rangers need. If Chicago can retain and it doesn't cost a ton, you do it. They shouldn't just sit around and piss away Panarin and Zibanejad's best years either. Plus, if Lafreniere is as good as advertised, the Rangers can make some noise even with their swiss cheese defense as it stands currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Agreed here. Toews is exactly what the Rangers need. If Chicago can retain and it doesn't cost a ton, you do it. They shouldn't just sit around and piss away Panarin and Zibanejad's best years either. Plus, if Lafreniere is as good as advertised, the Rangers can make some noise even with their swiss cheese defense as it stands currently. this has worked very well for toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now