Dunny Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 right so I guess the idea is develop means throwing those players out there to fail more and more at those things, right? No, but it's also not to employ the stop gap solution permanently. What does that mean for Ryan Strome. I honestly have no idea what direction that's going to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 We've officially reached Friday night level trolling. That’s not trolling. That’s using well presented arguments posted previously by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 So, trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6m for a 1C pacing 70pts? Look at all of the things Pete mentioned. 6m would be a bargain! Like others said, it?s his last chance for a big cash contract. Hell, go 7 years x 8-9M. He'll be a 1C on Panarin's line throughout the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Sounds like a guy willing to sign a team friendly contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 so when Fast is playing with the first line they should prorate his pay to a first line winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Of course the most important thing is fitting guys into our cap but that aside Strome is 26 yrs old not 36yrs old. We still need to give Chytil another 2 yrs to develop and with a what 38% face-off win percentage, he needs to develop that part of his game or be moved to the wing. So we can?t really pencil Chytil in as a center let alone our 2 line center because who?s to say if he stays there. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Nah, throw Chytil out there against the same competition Panarin faces. He's done cookin'. Serve him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 The only two options aren't signing Strome to a dumb deal and forcing Chytil in to that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 The only two options aren't signing Strome to a dumb deal and forcing Chytil in to that role.So why are folks acting like it is? Everyone who wants to keep Strome has said something between $4.5 and $5.5 and I don't think anyone has said more than 4 years. The replies have been "$6 million?! Danger zone!!!!!!" And "Need to see Chytil there ASAP so we can move Strome". This is why you can't rebuild in NY. People think it's done in a season and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Danger zone hasn’t been mentioned in this thread. Because the cutoff is $4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 While I'm good with Strome short term, I'm willing to listen to offers if another team offers a great deal for him at the deadline. We shouldn't be overly worried about finding players who Panarin can play with where we have to commit more than what's comfortable to Strome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 We already have someone who can play with Panarin so not really worried about that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Danger zone hasn’t been mentioned in this thread. Because the cutoff is $4m He’s going to get north of that if he goes to arbitration Are you suggesting they walk from him on a large 1 year arb award as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 He’s going to get north of that if he goes to arbitration Are you suggesting they walk from him on a large 1 year arb award as well? Cap world, can only pay top line players if you want a competitive team. If he’s your 1C, pay him. If not, don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 We already have someone who can play with Panarin so not really worried about that at all. I think I could do that lol. 1-2 of Zib-Kakko and Panarin-Chytil will be crazy in 2-3 years, dont think it would be smart to give Strome a big contract because at some point the next years he will be the 3rd line center and would probably be way overpaid for that role. Zib and Chytil will both get big contracts in 2-3 years, cant already have 5-6m in Strome at that point. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Cap world, can only pay top line players if you want a competitive team. If he’s your 1C, pay him. If not, don’t. Almost. You can’t play non-Core players But.... If he’s your 2C, you’re saying he’s part of your core. There’s an argument there. Your core is 7-8 guys A rough idea of composition is: Top 2 C’s Two wingers 3 D Top G He’s in that group right now. Maybe moving forward... Who knows. Just food for thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckrash Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Hopefully he loves it so much here he?ll want to stay bad enough to take a team friendly contractHe will. He has never played as good as he has with Panarian. @NYCKrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I think I could do that lol. 1-2 of Zib-Kakko and Panarin-Chytil will be crazy in 2-3 years, dont think it would be smart to give Strome a big contract because at some point the next years he will be the 3rd line center and would probably be way overpaid for that role. Zib and Chytil will both get big contracts in 2-3 years, cant already have 5-6m in Strome at that point. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Said this many times... If it was so easy, Fast would be point-per-game too. No one has suggested a "big" contract for Strome. $5.5 AAV still makes him affordable as a 45 point player which is what he was here before Panarin. Also not sure why you think Chytil is getting a big contract so soon, but in 3 years he can have it if you sign Strome for 4 (which is what's been suggested). Also not sure why you're assuming Strome will be the third line center. He'll stay where he is as long as he's producing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I think the majority agree on re-signing Strome on a 3-4 year deal, but there's a very real scenario that exists where he doesn't want that and wants a longer 5+ year term instead. There's a lot of potential money at stake for him. Being a UFA at 28 in Summer 2021, after another year of accumulating points playing alongside Panarin, is an attractive scenario and probably how he would most maximize his earnings. That's some significant leverage to hold at the table when talking a longer term extension. The Rangers would be wise to discuss an extension with him prior to the deadline. If no agreement, they should be seriously entertaining offers. This is their best leverage to keep the term reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Excellent work by Shayna Goldman over at the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/1556398/2020/01/23/weighing-ryan-stromes-value-to-the-rangers-both-on-the-ice-and-as-a-trade-asset/ At 27 going into next season, he's reaching his late 20s: Strome will be 27 by the time his next contract starts. According to aging curves, including the work of EvolvingWild, Cam Lawrence, and Eric Tulsky, players trend down in their late 20s. Lawrence and EvolvingWild both found that players are generally in their prime in their early-to-mid twenties, before beginning to drop in their late 20s and more steeply into their 30s. Tulsky found players retain approximately 90 percent of their scoring through 29, but take a sharp decline from there. The length and cost of his next contract have to be considered with that in mind. That?s particularly important for a rebuilding team, as they may not be bonafide contenders early in his next contract. They?ll have to project whether this is Strome?s peak or if there?s more to come. Some do peak later than the average player, like Derick Brassard and Josh Bailey. Regarding what Strome contract would mean for Chytil: If he?s [strome] on the lower to middle end of these deals, especially if there isn?t a very lengthy term attached, there could be a future for him in New York. While he?s a second-line center now, the rebuilding Rangers need to find out if Filip Chytil is their second-line or potentially top-line center of the future. If he is, that slots Strome on the wing or down the middle of the third line because they can?t be putting up roadblocks for a young, skilled player who should be a key part of their future. While shifting Strome to the third line could be a fit, it wouldn?t be cost-effective for the team to sign him for almost $6 million a season on average to be their third-line center. Clauses could also be a dealbreaker, as the Rangers may have learned not to include no trade and movement language after being burned in years past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Strome take a 1 year deal to keep CK and this core together to build around? We all know our cap situation opens up after next year so maybe it's a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Strome take a 1 year deal to keep CK and this core together to build around? We all know our cap situation opens up after next year so maybe it's a possibility. I think they should trade him while his value has peaked, but I suspect the Rangers will re-sign for either 3 or 4 years. I would be ok with 3 years as long as they pay him commensurately as having one good season as Panarin's sidekick rather than an annual 65-70 point line driver. That puts him at 4-5 million rather than 6-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 take the money and run, Ryan. God forbid Breadman gets hurt, you'll lose millions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Blueshirts station has this article by Steve Paulus: Elliotte Friedman reports on TSN that the Florida Panthers are willing to listen to offers for center Vincent Trochek and they are looking for defensive help. That immediately set off a fever of speculation on social media that a Trochek for Brady Skjei deal would help both teams. On the surface, it makes sense. Trocheck is only 26 and is two season removed from a 31 goal, 75 points season. He is also a good face off man, with a lifetime winning percentage of 51.3%, an area the Blueshirts are sorely lacking. Trochek is signed for two years after this one at an annual cap hit of $4.75 million. The Rangers couldn?t take on that kind of salary unless it was an even cap hit swap and that?s where Brady Skjei and his $5.25 million annual hit comes in. The only consideration is that if Gorton was to offload Skjei, it would probably be in a cap clearing trade and this one definitely is not. The common thinking is that a Trochek arrival would mean that the Rangers could give up on trying to re-sign Ryan Strome. Without Strome, the odds of their inking Tony DeAngelo to a new deal becomes much more possihle. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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