BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Why? The Rangers have no young centers outside of Filip Chytil. They will need someone to assume the mantle offensively in the very near future and I think we're all a little sketched out by Chytil's concussions to fully put the eggs in that basket. Zibanejad is either on his way to being a PP/PK specialist 3C, or he's there already. As good of a season as he has had, Trocheck is 31 like Zibanejad and will probably not be far behind in that regard. Who? Here's a few options who could maybe be had via trade with the right offer: - Anthony Cirelli - Trevor Zegras - Shane Pinto - Josh Norris (kind of in the same boat as Chytil re: injuries, but it's his shoulder not his head) Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 PLD would have been an option… though what with the baggage, I’d say he’d have been a hard pass for most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, RangersIn7 said: PLD would have been an option… though what with the baggage, I’d say he’d have been a hard pass for most. Yup. I'd have listed him for certain if he were a King. He wouldn't have been my first option, but I might have rolled the dice if they took Trouba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 23 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Why? The Rangers have no young centers outside of Filip Chytil. They will need someone to assume the mantle offensively in the very near future and I think we're all a little sketched out by Chytil's concussions to fully put the eggs in that basket. Zibanejad is either on his way to being a PP/PK specialist 3C, or he's there already. As good of a season as he has had, Trocheck is 31 like Zibanejad and will probably not be far behind in that regard. Who? Here's a few options who could maybe be had via trade with the right offer: - Anthony Cirelli - Trevor Zegras - Shane Pinto - Josh Norris (kind of in the same boat as Chytil re: injuries, but it's his shoulder not his head) Who else? This is a bridge they'll cross when they get to it. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but this isn't actually a problem that needs solving right now. It's one that can likely be solved one, two, three, five years down the line when the lack of organizational depth at center actually manifests. Right now, today, they have no reason to make this deal becuase they're not rebuilding. When they need to reset again, they will, and this player might then be targeted, or other centers might be brought in to bridge the gap if they draft one or two by then who show promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 20 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Yup. I'd have listed him for certain if he were a King. He wouldn't have been my first option, but I might have rolled the dice if they took Trouba. I say this with all due respect and sincerity — you're fucking insane. Trouba is an $8 million dollar problem that solves itself in two years. PLD is an $8.5 million dollar problem with seven more years ahead and a no-move clause kicking in this summer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 18 minutes ago, Phil said: I say this with all due respect and sincerity — you're fucking insane. Trouba is an $8 million dollar problem that solves itself in two years. PLD is an $8.5 million dollar problem with seven more years ahead and a no-move clause kicking in this summer. PLD would have been a massive risk, no question, but he’s 26 and has been a 25 goal 60 point player for a few years. For whatever reason it didn’t work like that in LA. Kinda hard to believe last year was the player he’ll be moving forward, rather than a severe outlier season and misfit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 22 minutes ago, Phil said: I say this with all due respect and sincerity — you're fucking insane. Trouba is an $8 million dollar problem that solves itself in two years. PLD is an $8.5 million dollar problem with seven more years ahead and a no-move clause kicking in this summer. All fair… which is why I say he’s a hard pass. That said…. It’s purely an attitude and mental thing with him. If he ever actually grows up and figures it out… he’s that proverbial 100 points 100 PIM’s player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I would legitimately rather have bird flu than have PLD on this roster. Ever. At that cap hit. A disease. A fucking disease. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 23 minutes ago, Phil said: This is a bridge they'll cross when they get to it. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but this isn't actually a problem that needs solving right now. It's one that can likely be solved one, two, three, five years down the line when the lack of organizational depth at center actually manifests. Right now, today, they have no reason to make this deal becuase they're not rebuilding. When they need to reset again, they will, and this player might then be targeted, or other centers might be brought in to bridge the gap if they draft one or two by then who show promise. I think if it’s done right it can also make them better now through sheer depth at the position. The Rangers have consistently muddied up the 5v5 TOI where there’s not really clear delineation, aside from Trocheck generally having the most tied to Panarin. Hypothetically, you can jumble lines and mix and match more effectively without numbering them. For example, nobody sane was going to put Kreider with Wennberg just to break up KZ, but you might put Kreider with a Cirelli or Zegras and have a real quality line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 19 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: PLD would have been a massive risk, no question, but he’s 26 and has been a 25 goal 60 point player for a few years. For whatever reason it didn’t work like that in LA. Kinda hard to believe last year was the player he’ll be moving forward, rather than a severe outlier season and misfit there. It's not if you've watched him. I wanted him a few years back before the trade to Winnipeg because he centered Panarin in Columbus. I'm glad they never did it. He's the most disinterested 6'4, 225lb player I think I've ever seen. You think people think Kreider is bad? Wait 'til you watch PLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 11 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: I think if it’s done right it can also make them better now through sheer depth at the position. The Rangers have consistently muddied up the 5v5 TOI where there’s not really clear delineation, aside from Trocheck generally having the most tied to Panarin. Hypothetically, you can jumble lines and mix and match more effectively without numbering them. For example, nobody sane was going to put Kreider with Wennberg just to break up KZ, but you might put Kreider with a Cirelli or Zegras and have a real quality line. I get that, but that also plays into my point: they don't need to expressly target a future 1C just yet. They disperse the minutes right now and there's no telling what the future holds for two years from now when Trouba and Panarin's deals expire. That's the same summer McDavid and Eichel are slated to hit UFA, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: PLD would have been an option… though what with the baggage, I’d say he’d have been a hard pass for most. Hard pass? How about running naked through the streets and waving your arms wildly while screaming NO! NO! NO!, NOT THAT! NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 22 minutes ago, Phil said: It's not if you've watched him. I wanted him a few years back before the trade to Winnipeg because he centered Panarin in Columbus. I'm glad they never did it. He's the most disinterested 6'4, 225lb player I think I've ever seen. You think people think Kreider is bad? Wait 'til you watch PLD. I don't care what people say about Kreider. They can SMD. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 14 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: I don't care what people say about Kreider. They can SMD. PLD can SMD. That guy is a lazy POS. I’d rather step on Legos than have him here. Caps fans are going to hate that lazy snake. He’s pitiful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 THREE LETTER ACRONYMS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 20 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: PLD can SMD. That guy is a lazy POS. I’d rather step on Legos than have him here. Caps fans are going to hate that lazy snake. He’s pitiful. "bird flu" has this beat, Richie!! LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: The Rangers have no young centers outside of Filip Chytil. They will need someone to assume the mantle offensively in the very near future and I think we're all a little sketched out by Chytil's concussions to fully put the eggs in that basket. Zibanejad is either on his way to being a PP/PK specialist 3C, or he's there already. As good of a season as he has had, Trocheck is 31 like Zibanejad and will probably not be far behind in that regard. That is kind of a hot take. Completely not oblivious to Zibenajad's issues(especially in the playoffs and 5 vs. 5), but because he is off his career average production by 10-15%, he is on his way to becoming a PK/PP specialist? He has always been a streaky player, and earned his value on special teams; but by that logic someone should have told Drury that before signing him to that 8 year 8.5 million contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: PLD would have been a massive risk, no question, but he’s 26 and has been a 25 goal 60 point player for a few years. For whatever reason it didn’t work like that in LA. Kinda hard to believe last year was the player he’ll be moving forward, rather than a severe outlier season and misfit there. Or maybe he is just a head case and doesn't care about hockey any more and is on cruise control now that he has that big contract. If I was giving betting odds on either hypothesis, I would list it as even money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 13 minutes ago, MuddyInTheMiddle said: Or maybe he is just a head case and doesn't care about hockey any more and is on cruise control now that he has that big contract. If I was giving betting odds on either hypothesis, I would list it as even money. Yup. It’s the very definition of high risk high reward. The Caps might be getting an 8.5 million dollar albatross around their neck until 2031, or they may have just received a 1C for a shitty goalie cap dump. Center is probably the toughest and most important position that you absolutely have to get right, so if a team is going to gamble, this is the position to gamble on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 24 minutes ago, MuddyInTheMiddle said: That is kind of a hot take. Completely not oblivious to Zibenajad's issues(especially in the playoffs and 5 vs. 5), but because he is off his career average production by 10-15%, he is on his way to becoming a PK/PP specialist? He has always been a streaky player, and earned his value on special teams; but by that logic someone should have told Drury that before signing him to that 8 year 8.5 million contract. I mean, he's not on his way to being a 3C if you think of a 3C as a 35–40-point player, but if you look at his numbers, he's definitely trending toward being more of a matchup center and less of the prolific scoring version of himself he used to be. Think Anze Kopitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Let me translate the OP. "I don't like Zib, and I don't think he's a first line center. So what I think we should do is replace him with a bargain bin Center, and move him to the third line because we could probably get him to wave his trade protection If we did that. Some really good options could be a 6 ft 170 lb perimeter player in Anaheim, or a guy who just got traded for a backup goalie. So you should totally take me seriously about needing a center immediately, because that's how much I hate Zib". The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 20 minutes ago, Phil said: I mean, he's not on his way to being a 3C if you think of a 3C as a 35–40-point player, but if you look at his numbers, he's definitely trending toward being more of a matchup center and less of the prolific scoring version of himself he used to be. Think Anze Kopitar. Anti Kopitar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 13 minutes ago, Pete said: Let me translate the OP. "I don't like Zib, and I don't think he's a first line center. So what I think we should do is replace him with a bargain bin Center, and move him to the third line because we could probably get him to wave his trade protection If we did that. Some really good options could be a 6 ft 170 lb perimeter player in Anaheim, or a guy who just got traded for a backup goalie. So you should totally take me seriously about needing a center immediately, because that's how much I hate Zib". The end. 2 outta 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Yup. It’s the very definition of high risk high reward. The Caps might be getting an 8.5 million dollar albatross around their neck until 2031, or they may have just received a 1C for a shitty goalie cap dump. Center is probably the toughest and most important position that you absolutely have to get right, so if a team is going to gamble, this is the position to gamble on Hi. You called? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: 2 outta 10 My guy...you just tried to sell people on... "You absolutely have to nail this, so it's a good place to gamble everything".... Do you even hear yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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