Target Pius Suter

[BrooksBurner]

Age: 26

Cap Hit: $3.25M

Contract: Expires after '22-'23 season

 

Background

 

Been doing some reading and looking into this guy. He was an undrafted free agent out of the Swiss League 2 years ago, where he coming off an MVP season there (30 goals, 53 points in 50 games). The Blackhawks signed him to a 1 year $925k contract. He put up 14 goals and 27 points in 55 games (20 goal, 40 point 82 game pace), playing largely with Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat. Last summer, he signed a 2 year contract with the Detroit Red Wings. This past season, he put up 15 goals and 36 points in 82 games playing with Filip Zadina and Robby Fabbri. Obviously a significant drop in linemate quality from Chicago, but still respectable numbers.

 

Blogger warning ahead! These articles are just some fan speak, but some interesting comments from Blackhawks bloggers who watched the games nonetheless.

 

The Blackhawks shouldn't have let him go: https://blackhawkup.com/2021/08/03/chicago-blackhawks-really-shouldve-hung-onto-forward-pius-suter/

 

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Suter was in the unique situation of being a restricted free agent after his first season of NHL play. Despite the ‘Hawks choosing to qualify a number of players, they did not extend an offer to Suter, and he signed a two-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings at the beginning of free agency.

In my mind, Pius Suter is one player that the Blackhawks definitely should’ve, at the very least, given a qualifying offer to. Suter proved to be a decent offensive force and was a pleasant surprise on a Blackhawks team that didn’t have many high points.

Besides scoring his first three NHL goals in the same game, Suter showed that he could slot into any team’s top six and make an immediate impact. He was a natural at grinding towards the front of the net

 

The Blackhawks made a mistake letting him go: https://puckprose.com/2022/02/08/chicago-blackhawks-made-mistake-letting-pius-suter-go/

 

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Suter played well with Kane and DeBrincat during a limited time last season. Having that option this year would have been nice, especially considering how much the team has ended up shaking up their lines this season.

The Blackhawks have made a lot of questionable moves the past year and a half as they have tried to get their team back on track, none more questionable than letting Suter walk away.

 

Additionally, Detroit is still in a building phase, and it seems likely that they would entertain trading Suter for picks or prospects. They aren't really close to competing, and I have to imagine Suter is pretty likely to leave after his contract is up.

 

What I think he offers

 

I think he might be an ideal and affordable target to acquire at the center position. I think he's shown he can produce at a solid clip playing with talented players like he did in Chicago, and as a rookie in the league. I think he's shown he can still be a good 3rd line option playing with much less talented linemates in Detroit. He was right near 50% on faceoffs and he took 1000 of them last year. Nearly all of his production in the NHL is at 5v5. In my mind, he has potential to surprise by playing with a guy like Panarin, much like Stromer did, who was a 35-40 point guy himself before coming here. There's also potential for an affordable extension if he has a solid year.

 

Potential cost

 

A decent young prospect or two, maybe in combination with a pick, although the Rangers are light on picks. Maybe the Wings are interested in a package around one of the Rangers' young defensemen like Zac Jones. Their right side with Seider and Hronek is pretty well set, so there may be little interest in Lundkvist. I think Lundkvist maybe holds a little more value than being used in a Suter trade, though there may be a creative option to piggyback Nemeth onto it. Yzerman already showed he was willing to take a cap dump for a price when he took Staal.

[lefty9]

We be getting even smaller

[BrooksBurner]

58 minutes ago, lefty9 said:

We be getting even smaller

Not much of a concern to me. Tampa won back to back Cups with this down the middle:

 

Point 5’11 183

Cirelli 6’ 191

Gourde 5’9 173

 

Zibanejad and Chytil bigger than all of those guys. The Rangers only had 3 forwards under 6 foot this year: Panarin, Motte, Vatrano.

 

It’s not about size of the dog in the fight, yada yada.

Edited June 14, 2022 by rmc51

[lefty9]

3 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

Not much of a concern to me. Tampa won back to back Cups with this down the middle:

 

Point 5’11 183

Cirelli 6’ 191

Gourde 5’9 173

 

Zibanejad and Chytil bigger than all of those guys. The Rangers only had 3 forwards under 6 foot this year: Panarin, Motte, Vatrano.

 

It’s not about size of the dog in the fight, yada yada.

i know,but our dogs wasnt fighting in the last four games ,and  most of their core  are good size players ,we need players like Cirelli ,his line pretty much nuterelized zibs line,and we had no line to even come close to even stop Stamkos line 

Putting Stamkos  between kucherov and Palant really tilted this series 

 

[BrooksBurner]

Some more information from watching tape. He is not a fast player. He is not going to race around guys with raw speed, but he seems to have a nose for the net. He scored a lot of his goals from around the crease area with the Hawks.

 

 

I didn't see tape on YouTube for this season with Detroit, but it was easy enough to find on NHL. Here's this year's goals:

 

Goal 1 (deflection in front): https://www.nhl.com/video/suters-game-tying-goal/t-326163626/c-9329902

Goal 2 (rebound stuff in crease - first goal in clip): https://www.nhl.com/video/recap-det-4-buf-3-fot/t-277350912/c-9435963

Goal 3 (snipe from faceoff dot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-beats-brossoit-high/t-326178314/c-9452300

Goal 4 (wrister from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-45-seconds-later/t-326178690/c-9516361

Goal 5 (rebound in crease): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-collects-rebound-scores/t-326192268/c-9683897

Goal 6 (one timer from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-strikes-first/t-326269952/c-10059650

Goal 7 (SHG): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-shg/t-329061378/c-10101362

Goal 8 (one timer from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-strikes-again/t-329061378/c-10101599 

Goal 9 (Garbo goal): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-goal/t-329213412/c-10295110

Goal 10 (wrister high slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-pulls-it-within-one/t-329214500/c-10364754

Goal 11 (wrister slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-buries-goal-in-close/t-330562740/c-10505828

Goal 12 (SHG - weak though):  https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-slides-in-shg/t-331938472/c-10978203

Goal 13 (deflection in front): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-tips-blue-line-shot-down/t-332004336/c-11078323

Goal 14 (2 on 1 finish): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-pulls-one-back/t-332069582/c-11402462

Goal 15 (rebound): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-sneaks-one-over-goal-line/t-332071604/c-11544998

 

Goal Tallies

 

5 slot

3 rebounds near crease

2 deflections in front

2 SHG

2 "perimeter"

1 2v1

[josh]

“We need  identity”

 

No one:

 

no one ever:

 

 

rmc: posts 4 pages about Pius Suter

[Keirik]

If we were looking to poach anyone from Detroit, I’d rather it be Larkin.  Certainly would cost more but he’s a guy that does his damage at even strength. 

[josh]

7 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

Some more information from watching tape. He is not a fast player. He is not going to race around guys with raw speed, but he seems to have a nose for the net. He scored a lot of his goals from around the crease area with the Hawks.

 

 

I didn't see tape on YouTube for this season with Detroit, but it was easy enough to find on NHL. Here's this year's goals:

 

Goal 1 (deflection in front): https://www.nhl.com/video/suters-game-tying-goal/t-326163626/c-9329902

Goal 2 (rebound stuff in crease - first goal in clip): https://www.nhl.com/video/recap-det-4-buf-3-fot/t-277350912/c-9435963

Goal 3 (snipe from faceoff dot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-beats-brossoit-high/t-326178314/c-9452300

Goal 4 (wrister from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-45-seconds-later/t-326178690/c-9516361

Goal 5 (rebound in crease): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-collects-rebound-scores/t-326192268/c-9683897

Goal 6 (one timer from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-strikes-first/t-326269952/c-10059650

Goal 7 (SHG): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-shg/t-329061378/c-10101362

Goal 8 (one timer from slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-strikes-again/t-329061378/c-10101599 

Goal 9 (Garbo goal): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-scores-goal/t-329213412/c-10295110

Goal 10 (wrister high slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-pulls-it-within-one/t-329214500/c-10364754

Goal 11 (wrister slot): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-buries-goal-in-close/t-330562740/c-10505828

Goal 12 (SHG - weak though):  https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-slides-in-shg/t-331938472/c-10978203

Goal 13 (deflection in front): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-tips-blue-line-shot-down/t-332004336/c-11078323

Goal 14 (2 on 1 finish): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-pulls-one-back/t-332069582/c-11402462

Goal 15 (rebound): https://www.nhl.com/video/suter-sneaks-one-over-goal-line/t-332071604/c-11544998

 

Goal Tallies

 

5 slot

3 rebounds near crease

2 deflections in front

2 SHG

2 "perimeter"

1 2v1

there’s one thing that immediately stood out to me.

 

lack of goals against playoff teams. Only a few. Most against Sabres, Flyers, Islanders, Sharks, etc. 

[BrooksBurner]

13 minutes ago, josh said:

there’s one thing that immediately stood out to me.

 

lack of goals against playoff teams. Only a few. Most against Sabres, Flyers, Islanders, Sharks, etc. 

 

Sounds like a fit for Panarin’s line lol

[BrooksBurner]

15 minutes ago, Keirik said:

If we were looking to poach anyone from Detroit, I’d rather it be Larkin.  Certainly would cost more but he’s a guy that does his damage at even strength. 

[josh]

14 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

 

Sounds like a fit for Panarin’s line lol

[Keirik]

11 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

Lol. Hey my real guy is Gourde with enough sweetener to make them also retain a bit of cap. 5.1m at full cap, or a package that makes them eat 2m or so and we have plenty of cap room to retain another guy like a Vatrano or even Strome/Copp. 
 

  There’s a certain Filip on our team who’s value will likely never be larger. Or if you don’t believe in Kakko…..

[torontonyr]

Not going to lie I don't want him just because I'm not a fan of his name.

[BrooksBurner]

3 hours ago, Keirik said:

Lol. Hey my real guy is Gourde with enough sweetener to make them also retain a bit of cap. 5.1m at full cap, or a package that makes them eat 2m or so and we have plenty of cap room to retain another guy like a Vatrano or even Strome/Copp. 
 

  There’s a certain Filip on our team who’s value will likely never be larger. Or if you don’t believe in Kakko…..

1st bold: You don’t say 

2nd bold: 

 

 

 

[BrooksBurner]

30 minutes ago, torontonyr said:

Not going to lie I don't want him just because I'm not a fan of his name.

[Pete]

4 hours ago, Keirik said:

If we were looking to poach anyone from Detroit, I’d rather it be Larkin.  Certainly would cost more but he’s a guy that does his damage at even strength. 

By all accounts Larkin love is being a red wing, I'd be extremely shocked if he went anywhere.