Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Multiple reports including Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette have surfaced indicating that the Pittsburgh Penguins intend to sign Jack Johnson to a five-year contract on July 1st. The deal will be in the area of $16MM total, and would make sense given the recent reports of discussions between the two sides. Though they?re technically not allowed to exchange contract figures until Sunday, team often have deals worked out ahead of time?as seen by the flurry of announcements just after the free agent period opens. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/06/pittsburgh-penguins-intend-to-sign-jack-johnson.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 That's actually not a bad deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't really understand how it's ok to essentially come to some sort of agreement, but not technical terms, with someone going to UFA. It seems like such a weird fine line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 The term isn't great, but getting him at under $3.5 million in AAV is good value. Matt Cane's projections had him on a one-year, $2.6 million deal. I still wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The term isn't great, but getting him at under $3.5 million in AAV is good value. Matt Cane's projections had him on a one-year, $2.6 million deal. I still wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole, though. He's 31m which isn't great, but thats a very reasonable AAV for a guy who could realistically be a 2nd pair player on that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 On that team, I guess, but he struggled to crack the Blue Jackets blueline, and his underlying numbers and production rate are both really ugly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Maybe in the playoffs, but he played 77 games. I'm not saying he's great, but he's not as bad as the numbers say (at least in the few games I saw him. I don't watch a lot of Jackets games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't either. But the numbers?both boxcar and fancy?paint a rapidly declining picture. Why would you want that for FIVE years? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't either. But the numbers?both boxcar and fancy?paint a rapidly declining picture. Why would you want that for FIVE years? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkIn 5 years that's what a 3rd pair D will make, relative to cap, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't either. But the numbers—both boxcar and fancy—paint a rapidly declining picture. Why would you want that for FIVE years? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk In 5 years, they might be a cap floor team. Kessel, Malkin, Letang, and Maata are all signed for another 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 Close, but in five years, will he even be a third-pairing defender? It's arguable how much of a competent one he is right now. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Close, but in five years, will he even be a third-pairing defender? It's arguable how much of a competent one he is right now. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Based on numbers from one year on a team he fell out of favor with, which wasn't a very good team to begin with. He would not be the first defenseman to rebound and be serviceable into his mid 30's. Contract is to 36 not 46 LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 Based on numbers from one year on a team he fell out of favor with, which wasn't a very good team to begin with. He would not be the first defenseman to rebound and be serviceable into his mid 30's. Contract is to 36 not 46 LOL. No, based on his career arc over the last four or five years. You make it sound like he came in for a year and just never found a role. He spent the last seven years in Columbus. Over the last four seasons his TOI/G has fallen, as has his general point production. He's never been a strong possession driver, but his relative CF and FF numbers were both horrific, and spiked from the prior three years. Maybe it's an anomaly, but that's a risky choice to sink five years into, even for the Pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Good for him on getting some security.. What a shitty financial story his career has been, hopefully this sets him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 No, based on his career arc over the last four or five years. You make it sound like he came in for a year and just never found a role. He spent the last seven years in Columbus. Over the last four seasons his TOI/G has fallen, as has his general point production. He's never been a strong possession driver, but his relative CF and FF numbers were both horrific, and spiked from the prior three years. Maybe it's an anomaly, but that's a risky choice to sink five years into, even for the Pens.Well you're talking about a team that made Ron Hainsey and Trevor Daley look pretty good. I mean Columbus D is pretty stacked especially after trading for Jones and emergence of Werenski. Again I don't watch or follow Columbus enough to really know what was going on and I don't think you do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't. I just said I don't watch their games either. None of that changes the argument for me. Production is down year over year and his relative shot share numbers spiked into the red in a contract year. None of that says "five years is OK" to me. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'd wager there's backstory behind the numbers. There usually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yeah. Age. Again, it's not just a one-year spike in a couple of categories that concerns me. It's a general downward trend as he's approached and eclipsed 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Well that's as good a guess as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Pens struggles with the cap, so I guess they had to go 5 years to be able to sign him. Their D is horrible aswell, so he'll play top 4 minutes. I would never take him for 5 years, but I guess it works for Pens. Ship him with a 2nd rounder in 3 years if he regresses too much, some rebuilding team would have no problem having him on the team for 2 years @ 3.2m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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