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To sign him long term requires buying his potential. 4 years buys most of his prime years. If he doesn’t get what he thinks he is worth this year, he will probably sign a cheaper 1 year deal to boost his value up for next summer.

I would not have guessed too much interest in Lundkvist, mostly because they already have Pionk. Any scenario where the Rangers keep Schneider out of the trade is a major win. I’d give Kakko or Chytil before Schneider. I have to assume Kakko has more value than Chytil. Kakko, Lundkvist, 1st?

It’s $2.9M per year.

RFA Kevin Fiala coming off of only one season of point per game production is getting $8M a year. I'd say Panarin is definitely worth more than $8.6M. @Capt what say you?

All valid questions. I was just saying it's not really Winnipeg's choice, unfortunately for them. From Winnipeg's side, I have to assume they would value NHL talent, or NHL ready talent, over picks. It goes back to what Pete and I were talking about...can they get a UFA center to replace PLD? If so, they can do that and take what they get from the Rangers for a really quick and effective re-load on their roster. What the Jets need the most in particular? A right defenseman. Schneider is an NHL defensemen. Lundkvist is right there. I think it's been documented before that PLD wants to play in a big city. I think a long term extension is what he would want in NYC, and I also think that's the only way Drury trades for him.

Current Evolving Hockey contract projection for PLD: Predicted Term: 5 years Predicted Cap Hit: $5.9M Estimated contract length/AAV combinations: 3 years (13% likelihood) @ $5.5M 4 years (17%) @ $5.8M 5 years (24%) @ $5.9M 6 years (20%) @ $6.1M 7 years (3%) @ $6.7M 8 years (13%) @ $6.5M

It's not that. PLD supposedly made it known he plans to test UFA as soon as he is able. So they have him 2 more years maximum.

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Get your bets in before the PLD trade!

I don't think Panarin is only worth $8.6M. It's probably closer to $10, so we're squabbling about being overpaid by maybe ~1.5M. Let's see what a similar producing wing like Gaudreau gets on the market.

Have to go bridge on Lafreniere and Miller. Probably 3 years a piece for several reasons: aligns with Panarin/Trouba contracts ending, and the bridges expire with 1 year of RFA control left. Lafreniere 3 X $4.5M (based on 20 g / ~40-45 points next year) Miller 3 x $3.5M (a little more than Lindgren's bridge) Kravtsov 1 x $2M (assuming he has a halfway decent year, 15 goals, ~30-35 points)

True. Perhaps this is an important variable that either allows a PLD trade to happen or not. Whether or not they can convince a UFA center to sign with them to fill the gap.

Yes, maybe, but that's from a Rangers standpoint. From a Winnipeg standpoint, why do they need Chytil if they can use their cap savings from PLD to sign a Kadri, Strome, or even get Copp back?

They have 3 top 6 wings. One of which is Wheeler who is 35 with 2 years left on his deal. Plenty of room for a 21 year old wing and former 2OA. A combination like Kakko/Schneider in return are cheap against the cap. The Jets have plenty of money to buy any center they want on the market, including Kadri if that's what they want to do. Chytil isn't required in the return, but I agree he's one of the more logical pieces to be involved.

If he's in the vicinity of 7-7.5M x 7 on a long term extension, and the Rangers are shipping out salary in Chytil and/or Kakko, there's plenty of room.

I was just going to post something similar, though I have to think Miller along with Lafreniere are the two kid non-starters for the Rangers. If that's the demand it's a quick hang up for Drury. There's nobody else under the age of 24 who would be off the table. It would come down to who Winnipeg prefers: Kakko Schneider Othmann Chytil Lundkvist Kravtsov Cuylle 2 or 3 guys from that list depending on who. I don't see any scenario that at least 1 of Kakko or Schneider is not involved.

I know. There’s been a revolving door of non/low-production on the RW of Panarin’s line over the last few years before Copp was put there, that says otherwise though. Including the guy I keep seeing a lot of fans slot in there for next year (Kakko). I mean don’t get me wrong, I’d bet on some progression from a guy like Lafreniere/Kakko, or decent rookie production from Kravtsov, but it’s pretty optimistic to think they are replacing the 60-65 points lost with Strome and/or Copp. Or 20-25 goals lost with Vatrano. Not impossible, just not likely. Hence the odds.

I feel like calling Strome, Copp, Vatrano depth players undersells what they brought to the team. I think it’s a pretty significant loss losing 2 or all 3 of them.

Do you really think this write up is based on anything logical? Teams would only be interested in Panarin, a 100-115 point-pace player 3 yrs in a row, if he had a cap hit after retention of $5.8M? That sentence invalidates any worth that writer has on the subject.

No need to pump the brakes yet you immediately walk back the claim I said you needed to pump the brakes on lol. Why so defensive? I'm not sure why so much time is being spent on comparing two players in different positions in an unrealistic trade scenario. It's not going to happen.

Yeah let’s pump the brakes here. It’s one year from Miller, and still less points per game than Panarin’s lowest in 3 years here. Miller: ’19-20: 1.04 points/game ‘20-21: .87 ’21-22: 1.24 Panarin: ’19-20: 1.38 ‘20-21: 1.38 ’21-22: 1.28

Are they wrong? The cap situation is well known and everyone knows the team on paper is getting worse for a year. Odds usually go down with that knowledge.

I mean of course it’s a possibility. It’s also possible they trade Panarin. So…it’s a weird thing to single out in a power rankings write up. Pretty trashy.

Don't need to. Just wait until next summer for UFA.

Bold gone in Summer '24.