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I mean, the puck went in off Tkachuk's knee as he was falling on his ass because of Staal. Would you have preferred Staal to alter gravity so Tkachuk fell later?

 

Staal's been precisely as good as he needs to be in the first two games of the season. No better, no worse.

 

 

 

The quality of those two goals against the supposed leader Staal were brutal, the expectation of him against Thachuk, is to use his experience to move him out of there. It’s clear as day Thachuk manhandled Staal in front of the net. Staal basically quit on Thachuk when it got real. Teams practice those battles and your in it to win it or get off the ice.

First star and a highlight reel goal, nice couple of games for Day so far. Man if this guy could play up to his talent.

I'm sorry you got confused.

 

 

 

No confusion here, only issue is keeping you on track.

I think you're misunderstanding. I didn't say that Staal is a one man wrecking crew on D. I said he's got the most sound positioning and knows how to defend the cycle. I didn't say he does it alone, I simply said the other defensemen either can't, or just don't for whatever reason. I'm not sure how you can watch a game like the one against Winnipeg and see Skjei and ADA all over the place and think they're solid defenders.

 

Now, that's not a complaint (something else you're just making up or confused about), it's an observation. I already acknowledged Fox and Hajek are rookies, so you're arguing just to argue at this point.

 

You keep waiting for that Staal trade. Many players who have NMCs use them. Lucic waived his to go to a contender. I don't know any contending teams who can take $5.5 million D who you claim can't play D.

 

I also don't give a shit about wins against 2 teams, 1 with an AHL defense and the other with 2/3 AHL roster. That doesn't really impress me outside of the top line's performance. My observations about the defense being a hot mess go back 2 years. Staal was actually one of the more solid defenseman last year, given he had to play with 2 own-zone train wrecks in Pionk and ADA.

 

 

 

 

You started it off with Staal is the only one that can and and knows how to defend the cycle, that can’t be that hard to remember. And then you admit it in the above post. “ Staal knows how to defend the cycle. I didn’t say he does it alone. I simply said the other defence man can’t or don’t for whatever reason”

Pretty confusing, Staal knows how to defend the cycle, the other defensemen can’t or won’t defend the cycle so then what does Staal do? Say fuk it they don’t, I don’t. Or gallantly try to be in three spots at one time? I said out there as a subtle description, but there are many more descriptive words if you’d like. If you think Ranger defensemen were not doing every thing in their power to stop cycles both games your in dreamland. I don’t remember the opposing teams cycling having much of a impact on either game for sure Ottawa, and Winnipeg and their AHL defense got beat, but managed a win in Jersey the next night.

I’m sure Quinn gives a shit about 4 points and two wins after two games and it don’t matter who they played. Team defence is a process and last year means nothing this year.

I don't know what team you're watching, but this team can't defend, couldn't last year, and only added Trouba....So no, it's not "out there".

 

As I said, look for Staal to finish his contract here, might be moved at the TDL in his UFA year depending on what the team is doing. He, and Lundy, are here for the duration of their deals.[/

 

 

 

 

 

You made the statement Staal is the only defensemen that can or will defend the cycle which is the post of yours. That is out there. We discussed a specific area of defence, not can’t defend so not sure why your switching the topic. You want to discuss Staal shooting lightning bolts out his az defending the cycle by himself while his teammates stand around because they can’t or won’t defend the cycle, with the coach looking on totally ignoring it let me know. That’s where this started.

Who gives a crap about last year and can’t defend, it means squat this year. They won their first two games with two rookies on defence. One of the youngest teams in the league and your complaining they can’t defend and comparing to last year. What do you expect shutout’s every night? They obviously played well enough to win. At this point in time just win. And clean up deficiencies and get better as you go along.

Staal being moved is all up to Gorton and he’s most definitely a guy they can move without worrying about getting burnt. Like all deals right opportunity at a opportune time. NMC’s get ignored often, see Milan Lucic. Was anyone less moveable than him? If Staal figured the grass is greener he’s outa here. That being said I think low demand and less opportunity for Gorton to move him will have more impact on him not being moved, than getting him to agree. If a team wants him bad enough they will convince him.

And yet here we are with Skjei and ADA confirmed disasters in their own zone (right now), Trouba pretty much unknown on this team on that side of the puck... And 2 TBD rookies in Fox and Hajek.

 

Then there's the only positionally sound defensement who's still tough to play against below the hashmarks... And he's getting run out of town...

 

 

 

 

Where we are, is you said Staal is not the only defensemen who can or will defend against the cycle. To say Quinn is standing on his bench watching 5 defensemen who can’t and or won’t defend the cycle again is out there. They have played two games, one where they only gave up one goal, and another gave up 4 against one of the better groups of forwards in the NHL. NHL defensemen get beat all the time or other teams wouldn’t score. Even Marc Staal who on a two on two against Winnipeg, dogged it back to his net and got beat. I’m not sitting here saying the defence is great, because it does need work, like all teams at the start of a season.

Rangers are in a rebuild, Staal’s cap hit, return on investment, and age make him the next guy on the block. Rangers have more kids coming on D next year, Staal is the expendable guy. No secret the Rangers could use some more cap room, but the more likely scenario is no other team will want him at his price, and the Rangers will be stuck with him.

Yes, that goes without saying. Thanks for the obvious. The point is, the other 5 D actually can't (or won't) do it.

 

He's highly likely to finish his contract here, being that he has a NMC.

 

 

 

 

To suggest Staal is the only defensemen who can or will defend against the cycle is a little out there.

The rumors of Staal going to okay with his brothers have been around for over 5 years. They're unfounded. Not everyone wants to play with their brother.

 

Minnesota is almost worse than we are and with no future.

 

Where is the room for Staal in Carolina stacked D?

 

Staal is about the only guy we have that can defend the cycle in the zone. He's not going anywhere, nor should he at this point.

 

 

 

One dman can not defend the cycle by himself, it requires a coordinated group effort, considering usually three opponents are cycling the puck.. Staals bang for his buck is unjustified at this stage of his career. Moving him anywhere before next year and getting rid of his cap hit should be a Gorton priority.

I would not be surprised to see Lindgren replace Hajek for the next game.

Fast lol. Put some muscle on the stick for cris sakes.

Fox impressing tonight more than any other game I’ve seen him play.

To be fair, the Sens do that on their own.

 

 

 

Haha excellent.

Buchnevich quietly becoming a great support player for Zib and Panarin. Showing a lot of moxie and doing a great job of playing off them.

Ok now they are showing off. :worship:

Zib is a God.

Strome with three nice shots to Thachuks schnooz in that scrum. Beauty.

Another wow moment, who is this guy.

That was perfection.

Yeah, wish Lemieux could do that.

 

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Corrected my post Thachuk turned 20 Sept. 16. And I think Lemieux will be fine just needs to play, whenever he’s out there he’s always in the middle of it. He was causing a lot of trouble in front of the net last game when Howden scored the winner.

Shot hit his leg.

 

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After he a 20 year old kid rag dolled Staal in front of the net.

Brady Thachuk is the real deal.

Staal's NMC will keep him in the lineup for this season and next. He most likely would never agree to be dumped to a team. The only team he might consider would be CAR in that he could play with his bro, but I don't see Carolina showing any interest in him or his cap hit.

 

 

 

Players on NMC get moved all the time. The obvious places are Minnesota and Carolina, but Staal is still good insurance for a team with cap looking to make a playoff run, which in and of itself could be very attractive for Staal. Might have to take a contract back, and that’s on Gorton to cut a deal. Staal has to know he’s on borrowed time here, and is going to be going somewhere else when his deal expires, so if the Rangers can find him the right deal, right place, he’d be packing. Part of the NMC enticement could be another year or two added to his deal at a new contract number.

If and when the Rangers want to move him he will be moving NMC or not.

It’s probable if a NHL team is struggling defensively and they fire the defensive coach and hire a new one the difference in play will amount a hill of beans. Assistant coaches follow orders from headquarters. If the dmen and system sucks it’s on Quinn. If Ruff wasn’t following orders, Quinn would see it and deal with it. That being said the first 10 games is a benchmark for overall initial assessment of a body of work, to get enough of a range to offset a few bad games. If they are all bad the watch is on.

One of the other Sens roasted Matthews over that GIF.

 

The more we see of him, the more we realize what an immature, entitled, douche he is. Makes sense he didn't get the C.

 

Still a stud hockey player, tho.

 

 

 

 

I would love to see Sabourin kick his little azz.

I think it’s the second game, they won the first. No need to get to alarmed over moving the D around. Hajek and Fox both need minutes and to prove they deserve to be here. Otherwise it’s bring up someone else. This is hopefully Staal’s last year, and the Rangers can dump him to a unsuspecting playoff team at the deadline. Problem is you have to replace him so they need to make sure they have one in place. I’m thinking they wouldn’t be getting a decent dman back if they did get Staal moved. So it’s a from within the system replacement at some point in time.