Sod16 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 The Islanders played 22 games between August 1 and September 17. We played three games between August 1 and August 4. I think that had a lot to do with what we saw tonight (and may see for the first third of the year). The officials were certainly rusty as well. You can watch every minute of an 82 game regular season and not see goaltender interference as blatant as the play on which Eberle took out Sheshty. But somehow it was a good goal until the challenge and replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 At least we got rid of Ruff. Could have been worse.I think Lindy was the least of our issues. If you remember he was a defenseman and a defensive forward. Could've coached the forwards, but I honestly don't know. It was a dammed if you do, damned if you don't. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 They're not a tough team to play against. On top of that, I can't name a single player that played a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Agree, don't think quinn works.for.thia club. Sent from my SM-N975U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkMade the same mistake with Herb Brooks in the 80's: you can't hire a College coach, thinking it would translate to the NHL, when it didn't with Brooks and hasn't worked with Quinn so far. The best College coach who made his way to the NHL was "Badger" Bob Johnson, and it helped that he had two generational talents in Jagr and Lemieux when he was in Pittsburgh. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 They're not a tough team to play against. On top of that, I can't name a single player that played a good game.Right. All the Rangers played poorly tonight and it showed. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 At home? Wtf lmao the arena was empty. It was the 11pm time slot at Chelsea Piers. Man that was impressive opening night at home and your shut out. 18 minutes of the 60 in the box. New season same d dead coaching plan and not even ready to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Made the same mistake with Herb Brooks in the 80's: you can't hire a College coach, thinking it would translate to the NHL, when it didn't with Brooks and hasn't worked with Quinn so far. The best College coach who made his way to the NHL was "Badger" Bob Johnson, and it helped that he had two generational talents in Jagr and Lemieux when he was in Pittsburgh. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Or maybe this team is rebuilding.. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Made the same mistake with Herb Brooks in the 80's: you can't hire a College coach, thinking it would translate to the NHL, when it didn't with Brooks and hasn't worked with Quinn so far. The best College coach who made his way to the NHL was "Badger" Bob Johnson, and it helped that he had two generational talents in Jagr and Lemieux when he was in Pittsburgh. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk :rolleyes: "Hasn't worked" meaning what? They haven't won the cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Rangers are going to have these wonderful refs for the majority of games. I think they were paid off by China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I'm having visions of ping pong balls!!! :rofl: Wow! we looked really bad in pretty much all aspects of hockey as I know it. Gonna take more than "some time" to get this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Made the same mistake with Herb Brooks in the 80's: you can't hire a College coach, thinking it would translate to the NHL, when it didn't with Brooks and hasn't worked with Quinn so far. The best College coach who made his way to the NHL was "Badger" Bob Johnson, and it helped that he had two generational talents in Jagr and Lemieux when he was in Pittsburgh. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Well, it's a little late to debate the Herb Brooks era, but he did quite well relative to the personnel he had. His teams were fairly competitive against an Islander's squad with vastly superior players. His smurfs beat the bigger tougher Flyers a few years running. I certainly wouldn't say his teams underachieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Well, it's a little late to debate the Herb Brooks era, but he did quite well relative to the personnel he had. His teams were fairly competitive against an Islander's squad with vastly superior players. His smurfs beat the bigger tougher Flyers a few years running. I certainly wouldn't say his teams underachieved.Thank you. Sometimes I need to learn about how we really were in the 80's without getting over the hump before 1994. Sent from my SM-S367VL using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Gauthier looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 One game folks Lets not jump of the Brooklyn bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 There was nothing good about last night, so will go with the obvious. Zib looked like he missed camp with COVID. Kreider and Buch need him, or they disappear. Kakko blew several golden opportunities but at least he got opportunities. Strome and Panarin were meh. Third line looked like they just met each other before the game. Fourth line...who cares. Trouba was in mid-season form of just a guy, K'Andre clearly not ready for the speed of the NHL game. Might need to watch how plays develop from the pressbox and get that bird's eye view. Fox and Lindgren weren't noticeable, which I guess is OK in a game like this. ADA also in mid season form with his tantrums, Johnson was whatever but he played 20 minutes but 7+ on the PK which is his job. Stay out of the box. Also didn't help that K'Andre wasn't up to the task last night, made the left side a gamble. Would much rather see Smith dressing as a forward who's able to cover the D should K'Andre need to ride the pine instead of giving JJ more minutes. Now...Shesty...was terrible. Just one game, so it's a nothingburger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Johnson should only dress if 12 D man before him are unavailable. I can live with a rookie making mistakes. A guy whose game is clearly long gone doesn't learn from mistakes, he just makes more and more of them. This was a utter shit show in all aspects of the game.. Players, coaches.. hell, I'm sure the training staff even had a terrible game. Yuck.. Gargle, rinse, and spit this shit taste out and move on to game 2. I had a feeling 54-0 was a bit optimistic to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 We saw a bit of this last year. The Rangers play the beautiful game. That's going to be hard to do with no camp. All their offence is dependent on ticky tacky, cutsie wootsie passes, and finness. It's going to take time tonget back to that, and you look like fools against a heavy north/south team like the Islanders, who have played a lot more hockey recently. The D corp is shitty, and their forwards don't help much, hopefully Shesterkin/Georgiev is able to paper that over to some degree, but I don't think the problem was Lindy Ruff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 We saw a bit of this last year. The Rangers play the beautiful game. That's going to be hard to do with no camp. All their offence is dependent on ticky tacky, cutsie wootsie passes, and finness. It's going to take time tonget back to that, and you look like fools against a heavy north/south team like the Islanders, who have played a lot more hockey recently. The D corp is shitty, and their forwards don't help much, hopefully Shesterkin/Georgiev is able to paper that over to some degree, but I don't think the problem was Lindy Ruff. The problem with this is there's no time to wait for that to come back. It's why Brooks has been beating the drum of adding more meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes is boring, but efficient. In games like last night's, when all your top guys take the night off, they're the difference between a 4-0 loss and maybe a 2-1 win. What's worse, the meat and potatoes they do have are baby potatoes and a slice of prison baloney. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 The problem with this is there's no time to wait for that to come back. It's why Brooks has been beating the drum of adding more meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes is boring, but efficient. In games like last night's, when all your top guys take the night off, they're the difference between a 4-0 loss and maybe a 2-1 win. What's worse, the meat and potatoes they do have are baby potatoes and a slice of prison baloney. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Yeah, agreed, they're likely to get buried in the standing before they're firing on all cylinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 We saw a bit of this last year. The Rangers play the beautiful game. That's going to be hard to do with no camp. All their offence is dependent on ticky tacky, cutsie wootsie passes, and finness. It's going to take time tonget back to that, and you look like fools against a heavy north/south team like the Islanders, who have played a lot more hockey recently. The D corp is shitty, and their forwards don't help much, hopefully Shesterkin/Georgiev is able to paper that over to some degree, but I don't think the problem was Lindy Ruff. A lot of that play will come back once theyre legs get going. Hopefully. First, they have to get into Quinns style of N-S play, hard on the puck, supporting, etc. Last year, that started slow with everyone white knuckling their sticks. That wasn't last night. They looked really slow. Really slow. Watching the Rangers last night, then seeing the McDavid goal (2nd goal), I couldnt even keep up with him watching because I was used to watching the Rangers. [video=youtube;At-vJfXFUBc] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 The problem with this is there's no time to wait for that to come back. It's why Brooks has been beating the drum of adding more meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes is boring, but efficient. In games like last night's, when all your top guys take the night off, they're the difference between a 4-0 loss and maybe a 2-1 win. What's worse, the meat and potatoes they do have are baby potatoes and a slice of prison baloney. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkYeah, agreed, they're likely to get buried in the standing before they're firing on all cylinders.Agreed, and it seems as if their lines are all constructed the same way. Straightforward game Kreider Strome Gauthier High skill line driver Zib Panarin Laf Soft finesse Buch Kakko Chytil Maybe load up skill on some lines and heavy hockey as a change of pace. I can see them swapping Kreider and and Laffy and that third line become a big, fast, cycle line vs the first two lines who'd play off the rush a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRider Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 A lot of that play will come back once theyre legs get going. Hopefully. First, they have to get into Quinns style of N-S play, hard on the puck, supporting, etc. Last year, that started slow with everyone white knuckling their sticks. That wasn't last night. They looked really slow. Really slow. Watching the Rangers last night, then seeing the McDavid goal (2nd goal), I couldnt even keep up with him watching because I was used to watching the Rangers. [video=youtube;At-vJfXFUBc] Groton should be monitoring new coaches right now for hire for next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Agreed, and it seems as if their lines are all constructed the same way. Straightforward game Kreider Strome Gauthier High skill line driver Zib Panarin Laf Soft finesse Buch Kakko Chytil Maybe load up skill on some lines and heavy hockey as a change of pace. I can see them swapping Kreider and and Laffy and that third line become a big, fast, cycle line vs the first two lines who'd play off the rush a bit more. Was thinking the exact same thing RE: Laf-Kreider. I think it might even be something you can do throughout the year based on games/opponents. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Maybe Brian Boyle isn't the worst idea ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 My weekly requirement to say Lafreniere does better with Lefties on his line. Putting him with Zibanejad might not necessarily work. My lines from the summer: Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko Panarin - Strome - Howden (or Gauthier) Lafreniere - Chytil - Buchnevich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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