Future Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 why is brooks worried about this? Jesper Fast is not the guy that's gonna be the reason we win the cup. You can always find these guys, i.e. B.Boyle as an example that are good room guys you can pick up later in their careers on 1 year deals. Fast is harder to find a replacement for than Boyle, by a lot. I agree that he's not necessarily the difference on a cup winner, but he's a much more unique player than a lot of the veteran bottom 6 plugs around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 than its a question of cost vs value to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Fast is harder to find a replacement for than Boyle, by a lot. I agree that he's not necessarily the difference on a cup winner, but he's a much more unique player than a lot of the veteran bottom 6 plugs around the league. I dunno — those types often find themselves unlikely heroes every Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I dunno — those types often find themselves unlikely heroes every Spring. as Fast has done muktiple times. Came through really big on two OT plays in games 5 and 7 in OT against the caps in 2015. and he was very good in the series against MTL in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 is there really no one in the wings who can take his spot next year? if there isn't, I would contemplate signing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just a silly question here...Don't we need centers anyway...not wings?? Especially bottom 6 wings??? I'd sign freakin' Joe Thornton for god's sake...what's he, 40?? There's some experience and toughness and a true 4th line center. ;) What's his cap hit? I bet it's not too much more than what Fast is gonna ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I dunno — those types often find themselves unlikely heroes every Spring. Well yea - nobody would predict Dom Moore scoring the Game 7 winner against MTL. But a guy like Fast gives you a better chance to do that, than, say Tyler Ennis, I would think. And if you add in the intangible part, it becomes a lot harder to find a 1-1 replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 If Fast makes it to FA, he'll be wearing a Philly jersy at 4M for 5yrs. Lol. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Well yea - nobody would predict Dom Moore scoring the Game 7 winner against MTL. But a guy like Fast gives you a better chance to do that, than, say Tyler Ennis, I would think. And if you add in the intangible part, it becomes a lot harder to find a 1-1 replacement. Agreed. The more I think about it unless his ask is insane, I'm pretty sure this one's an easy call to just make in-season. Four years, $10 million. $2.5M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 why is brooks worried about this? Jesper Fast is not the guy that's gonna be the reason we win the cup. You can always find these guys, i.e. B.Boyle as an example that are good room guys you can pick up later in their careers on 1 year deals.Because a guy you bring in as a UFA as a one year deal hasn't earned the room. He isn't gonna cost alot. To dumb it down a lot...It's not salary Tetris. You can't make the numbers coming down fit by blowing up what's at the bottom. Fast has earned the right to another deal and is an important part of teaching young guys how to play. If it's a choice of him vs Kreider, it's not even close for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Because a guy you bring in as a UFA as a one year deal hasn't earned the room. He isn't gonna cost alot. To dumb it down a lot...It's not salary Tetris. You can't make the numbers coming down fit by blowing up what's at the bottom. Fast has earned the right to another deal and is an important part of teaching young guys how to play. If it's a choice of him vs Kreider, it's not even close for me. Definitely Pete!! Fast certainly is no big Cap hit, and Kreider is just sucking around to be THAT guy that blows with us, and then when he gets to wherever he's going, turns into a the 40 goal potential scorer we thought we had. There's no way to avoid it either. He's been somewhat of a disappointing player for us, considering what he's turned into, especially after a fairly promising start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Agreed. The more I think about it unless his ask is insane, I'm pretty sure this one's an easy call to just make in-season. Four years, $10 million. $2.5M AAV. Fine with that contract, in general, but I wouldn't move him before the deadline. You could get a first-round pick or, say, the Grabner return for him. Not sure I'm turning that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 if you could get a first round pick for Fast, take it and run. i'd fire a GM who gives up 1st rounder for Fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 if you could get a first round pick for Fast, take it and run. i'd fire a GM who gives up 1st rounder for Fast In a vacuum, I would agree with you, but I think (hope) people are starting to realize that a re-build is more than acquiring young, talented assets and high draft picks. We need some continuity and we need some proven players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Yup. Stability is a major factor. I'd be far more inclined to keep Fast than to deal him for a hope and a prayer, either of which would also apply to the goal of keeping him after-the-fact. Just keep him, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 In a vacuum, I would agree with you, but I think (hope) people are starting to realize that a re-build is more than acquiring young, talented assets and high draft picks. We need some continuity and we need some proven players. sure, but if u can get a first rounder for fast? fuck yeah, i'll take it and maybe re-sign him in the summer, if he's cheap enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Yup. Stability is a major factor. I'd be far more inclined to keep Fast than to deal him for a hope and a prayer, either of which would also apply to the goal of keeping him after-the-fact. Just keep him, period. no, sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 sure, but if u can get a first rounder for fast? fuck yeah, i'll take it and maybe re-sign him in the summer, if he's cheap enough No way you get a 1st for Fast. A 3rd rounder if you?re lucky Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 No way you get a 1st for Fast. A 3rd rounder if you’re lucky Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I think so too. Future mentioned that Fast could fetch a first rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I don't think any GM would offer a 1st for Jesper Fast, which makes dealing him silly. You're never going to get back what you have in Fast. Now - extend him? For why? I'm not sure he's valuable to this team in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Who is the last Fast-like player who went for a first? I feel like we're all still living in that Gaustad era that was probably an abberration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Who is the last Fast-like player who went for a first? I feel like we're all still living in that Gaustad era that was probably an abberration. Ryan Hartman. Andrew Shaw just went for a 2nd and 3rd. Marcus Johansen a 2nd and a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ryan Hartman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ryan Hartman. Andrew Shaw just went for a 2nd and 3rd. Marcus Johansen a 2nd and a 4th. Hartman, yeah. But he's also got that "former first-round pick" thing going for him. But I suppose it's plausible. I still say just keep him. Why risk showing him greener pastures when you can just make a good faith offer to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hartman, yeah. But he's also got that "former first-round pick" thing going for him. But I suppose it's plausible. I still say just keep him. Why risk showing him greener pastures when you can just make a good faith offer to keep him? B/c it's the exact opposite of everything they've done over the last ~2.5 years. Their entire approach since the letter has been "acquiring assets" and, as far as I know, they're still in the rebuild. I've said that I hate the timing and overall messaging since pretty much day 1, because it makes expectations unclear, but imagine coming to the deadline and you trade Kreider but extend Fast? That's about as mixed of a message as you can have. Over the course of a year, they could go Deadline - Trade Zucc, Hayes Offseason - Acquire Trouba, Panarin Season - Trade Namest, Send down Chytil/Krav Deadline - Trade Kreider, Extend Fast (since they won't let him walk free) That's wildly inconsistent messaging, without even adding in the lineup issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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