Long live the King Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Are there many goaltenders that go directly from the KHL to the NHL? I’m just wondering what that transition may be like for him. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Bobrovsky did. Vasilevsky split his first 2 NA seasons between NHL and AHL. Varlamov spent one year in the AHL with a brief call up, and the next 2 years as a back up getting sent down a couple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 A game misconduct and potential suspension for that :palm: crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This is a couple of years old, so not sure how KHL contracts have changed: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/khl-contract-salaries-highest-paid-datsyuk-radulov-kovalchuk-kontinental-hockey-league/ By the time you got to #30 on the KHL's top contracts, you were only looking at a little over $1M. So while in the AHL, Shesterkin would only likely be looking at $70K plus around a $90K signing bonus each year, I'm not sure how much that leaves on the table. And if he thinks he can make it to the NHL, bonuses can push an ELC contract up over $3.5M per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This is a couple of years old, so not sure how KHL contracts have changed: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/khl-contract-salaries-highest-paid-datsyuk-radulov-kovalchuk-kontinental-hockey-league/ By the time you got to #30 on the KHL's top contracts, you were only looking at a little over $1M. So while in the AHL, Shesterkin would only likely be looking at $70K plus around a $90K signing bonus each year, I'm not sure how much that leaves on the table. And if he thinks he can make it to the NHL, bonuses can push an ELC contract up over $3.5M per year. That $3.5 number is almost impossible. Pulled from the CBA https://centericeview.wordpress.com/2017/03/13/nhl-entry-level-contracts-elc-a-quick-primer/ NHL Entry Level Contracts have the following components: Maximum Salary $925,000 Signing Bonus: Limited to 10% of maximum salary or $92,500 (included in salary) Type A Bonus: Maximum $850,000 ($212,500 per individual bonus) for such performance based qualifiers such as ice time, goals, plus/minus Type B Bonus: Maximum $2,000,000 for league performance awards (example: top 5 post-season awards) per season Theoretically, a player could earn total compensation of $3,775,000 I think you can basically rule out any "league performance awards" for Shestyorkin if he's playing 35 games or whatever on an ok-at-best team. So you're looking at a N.A. range of $160k-$1.8m, or a certain $1+m in the KHL, plus not having to live the AHL life in a new country. I feel like that's a no brainer for me, if I'm Shestyorkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 how much is he making in the KHL now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't think they release that info. The list Dave linked was leaked, if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Bringing Shesty here now doesn't make sense overall does it? It will burn a year by having him play meaningless games at MSG -- not to mention Hartford if that's where they site him. I would agree that another season in KHL is a good idea. Disagree. Gotta get him over here ASAP. Get him working with Benoit Allaire and Hank sooner rather than later. He's already 23 so another season in the KHL puts him at 24 all of which are played on an entirely different sheet of ice with a lower caliber skillset. Get him over here to get used to everything. There's no such thing as a meaningless game in the AHL and definitely not at MSG. If he's playing for the Rangers organization, it'll only help his development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Disagree. Gotta get him over here ASAP. Get him working with Benoit Allaire and Hank sooner rather than later. He's already 23 so another season in the KHL puts him at 24 all of which are played on an entirely different sheet of ice with a lower caliber skillset. Get him over here to get used to everything. There's no such thing as a meaningless game in the AHL and definitely not at MSG. If he's playing for the Rangers organization, it'll only help his development The skill in the AHL isn't higher than the KHL. Other than Allaire, I don't see how the AHL is a better developmental league for goalies than the KHL or even the SHL, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The skill in the AHL isn't higher than the KHL. Other than Allaire, I don't see how the AHL is a better developmental league for goalies than the KHL or even the SHL, really.Except that every single angle is different and the shots come from closer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Except that every single angle is different and the shots come from closer? This would be true if guys only took shots from the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This would be true if guys only took shots from the boards.I'm sorry but that's just naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'm sorry but that's just naive. Some angles are different, but the idea that every shot is different is ridiculous. Which of these are from too far away or from an angle that doesn't exist in the AHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This kid is goooooooooooooooood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He's like a Richter/Hank hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Some angles are different, but the idea that every shot is different is ridiculous. Which of these are from too far away or from an angle that doesn't exist in the AHL? FWIW my brother is a goalie who moved from Europe to NA and he always says the angles felt really different and took a good couple of months getting used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Some angles are different, but the idea that every shot is different is ridiculous. Which of these are from too far away or from an angle that doesn't exist in the AHL?Like I said... Naive. Where the play develops is night and day. Let me cherry pick shots from the slot! FWIW my brother is a goalie who moved from Europe to NA and he always says the angles felt really different and took a good couple of months getting used to.Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'm sure everybody is different. He wouldn't be the 1st to skip the AHL, but it may make sense for a short period anyways as there's a logjam at the position next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Like I said... Naive. Where the play develops is night and day. Let me cherry pick shots from the slot! Thank you. That's not what you said. You said every shot is in closer in the AHL. I never said there isn't a difference, but this idea that the quality is so much better in the AHL than the KHL, because angles, is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 That's not what you said. You said every shot is in closer in the AHL. I never said there isn't a difference, but this idea that the quality is so much better in the AHL than the KHL, because angles, is dumb.You're in love with the word "better" but can't seem to offer any tangible proof of why any one thing is better than another. So back to what my actual argument is... There'll be an adjustment period because the O Zone is smaller, plays happen faster, and angles are different. I can't possibly see how this can be disputed. So as far as DEVELOPMENT for him, it's better for him to be here than there. Even in the A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 You're in love with the word "better" but can't seem to offer any tangible proof of why any one thing is better than another. So back to what my actual argument is... There'll be an adjustment period because the O Zone is smaller, plays happen faster, and angles are different. I can't possibly see how this can be disputed. So as far as DEVELOPMENT for him, it's better for him to be here than there. Even in the A. None of what you have said is any more tangible than the idea that being home and making more money might be better for his development, which was my original point anyway. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, I just don't but that the AHL is "better" because of "angles" to the effect that a goalie would be develop more playing an entire year there vs. Europe, especially when there's precedent for goalies not needing it. Plus, your original argument was that "every" angle was different and the shots are closer. You can't just dismiss the clips of that being unequivocally wrong as cherry picked. A chance that develops down the middle is the same no matter how big the ice is, and pass across the crease in tight is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Don't see how "angles" are different just because of rink size. Can't just change math. A shot from the dot is still a shot from the dot. But plays certainly develop faster in the smaller rink, and that is a big change. There is less room to work with and theoretically less time to make decisions. I don't see why anyone would not want guys to adjust to this rather than keeping them in the KHL. It isn't just about hockey either. These guys are moving to a new country and they are human. They need time to adjust to a different way of life here, and it can be a lot for young players to come over and be thrown in the spotlight immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Don't see how "angles" are different just because of rink size. Can't just change math. A shot from the dot is still a shot from the dot. But plays certainly develop faster in the smaller rink, and that is a big change. There is less room to work with and theoretically less time to make decisions. I don't see why anyone would not want guys to adjust to this rather than keeping them in the KHL. It isn't just about hockey either. These guys are moving to a new country and they are human. They need time to adjust to a different way of life here, and it can be a lot for young players to come over and be thrown in the spotlight immediately. KHL rinks are wider. A guy standing at the blue line, along the boards on one rink, will have a different angle than the guy standing at the blue line along the boards on a wider KHL rink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Right, but angles are still angles. There's 180 degrees to work with as a goalie, that doesn't change. I played on Olympic ice a little bit as a goalie, never noticed much. Granted that wasn't a crazy high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 KHL rinks are wider. A guy standing at the blue line, along the boards on one rink, will have a different angle than the guy standing at the blue line along the boards on a wider KHL rink. Fair enough, but that angle can be replicated in an NHL rink..except it will be along the boards and a few feet in from the blueline. The angles don't change, but the time to react to shots from those angles do. I will concede that if a defenseman is playing the boards and takes a shot from the blueline along the boards, it is at a different angle between the two rinks. That's not a shot that happens often though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 its not that much of a difference. the adjustment for a goalie will probably take few practices and couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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