NYR Identity Is Now a Myth

[4EverRangerFrank]

We cannot sit Zib and Trouba and anyone/everyone else shitting the bed right now. You wouldn't have enough skaters to run 2 complete lines! LOL The options are limited in a NTC/NMC environment with hefty salaries. While I agree something needs to happen, it really comes down to the players finding a way to dig deeper and play their way out of this mess. Previous posts have rightly pointed out that it's not on the coaches. Not from a systems standpoint.

 

Remember when we heard from LAV and several payers (Kreider comes to mind) about how we have to play with an identity? How we wanted other teams to know they played us the day after a game? Meaning that we were going to play a take-no-prisoners kind of game where our speed was an asset, our skill was dangerous and our tenacity was to be revered and feared. WhereTF did that go? 

[Ducky]

Other teams like the Rangers identity. Soft and easy to dominate. 

[Abe Froman]

Talk is cheap. No team fears the Rangers. 

[RJWantsTheCup]

4-0-1 before Lindgren started playing.  8-6 since.  Defense fell apart when he came back.  Did he get rushed back?  Have injuries caught up to him?   He is without a doubt not the same player.  First move should be to take him out of the lineup.  Then cut Trouba’s playing time.  Play Zibanejad on Pk and PP2 and cut down his 5 on 5 time.  Get Chytil back healthy.  

[Art20c]

I don’t think defense problem is one d man’s problem. It’s more as a whole team defense system is very flawed. And the fact that this problem is not addressed by now is very worrisome. 

[Br4d]

The defensive problem the Rangers have now is the same defensive problem they've had since '22-'23.  Too many defenders playing as individuals when a team approach is required.

[torontonyr]

We're essentially the maple leafs with more dispersed talent and a better goalie 

[jsm7302]

7 hours ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

4-0-1 before Lindgren started playing.  8-6 since.  Defense fell apart when he came back.  Did he get rushed back?  Have injuries caught up to him?   He is without a doubt not the same player.  First move should be to take him out of the lineup.  Then cut Trouba’s playing time.  Play Zibanejad on Pk and PP2 and cut down his 5 on 5 time.  Get Chytil back healthy.  

I'm trying to decide if this record is akin to the Matt Rempe argument or if it actually holds water. All in all, I think Lindgren hasn't looked great but I'm seeing defensive lapses from Miller just as frequently and I'm seeing our forwards not even dropping down to cover guys in the slot. It's a team problem. They look like garbage and the shot totals tell the story. How do we get held to 20-30 shots but we give up 40-50. It's wild.

[Mistercosmic]

I always wonder how such an experienced team (almost everyone has known each other for several years) can play defense as if they had just met on the ice.

Edited November 25 by Mistercosmic

[Scott]

The defense or lack of comes from every player on the ice. Granted the actual defensemen as a overall group stink some way more than others but collectively as a whole they're not good. it's equally imo the lack of back pressure from the forwards on most nights. It's like the forwards are out for a sunday morning stroll through the park.  Vally pointed out last night that the record is misleading with both Igor and Quick having stolen 2 wins each and reiterating this isn't a recent problem we are seeing, they've not been good for weeks now.

[4EverRangerFrank]

4 hours ago, torontonyr said:

We're essentially the maple leafs with more dispersed talent and a better goalie 

Ouch but true. 

[4EverRangerFrank]

It’s a group failure. Lindgren injury? Sure but why would that impact Miller’s decline as well. Trouba has accumulating mileage for his excuses 

 

Shots against? Very true @Scott when the forwards don’t come back and cover their assignment. They are also primarily responsible for the putrid offense and SOG stat. 
 

It’s on the group. Live by the group, die by the group. Question becomes, “Who will step up and lead?” 
 

Fox should but he seems too quiet. Cuylle is playing like ‘that guy’ but may feel it’s not his place…yet. Forget ZiB, Kreids, and Tro at this point. Miller was never going to be that guy either. I’m genuinely struggling to find Mr. Fixit on this team. 

[Br4d]

Cuylle and Laf are the guys.  Cuylle already doing it and Laf on and off.

 

The three guys on the team most likely to take away the puck and score right now are Cuylle, Laf and Reilly Smith.

[Sharpshooter]

I've seen bad stretches before the last few years, but I don't recall them ever being this unwatchable, at the very least. As JD liked to see, it's keystone cops out there. I don't think it's all coaching either. In fact, I think it squares mostly on the players. Some have gotten better, some have regressed. Trouba is a big detriment who has probably quit on the organization after the fiasco this past summer. Lindgren and Miller have fallen off the map. I think they're feeling the Trocheck regression pretty hard out there, too. Not awful, but not nearly as good as he was last season, or as good as you'd at least expect him to be.

[RangersIn7]

10 hours ago, torontonyr said:

We're essentially the maple leafs with more dispersed talent and a better goalie 

Doesn’t it feel that way though!

 

That and they’re really inconsistent. 

[JHS]

The skill is here.  The desire is not.  The Rangers are soft and slow and easy to play against.  Until that changes this current string of poor play will now.

[Sharpshooter]

Rangers social media are like, #ittakeseveryone

 

Yeah, it sure does. lol

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said:

Rangers social media are like, #ittakeseveryone

 

Yeah, it sure does. lol

Funny that it's their hashtag considering what we've seen happen since last season ended.

• Drury circumvents Goodrows NTC
• Drury attempts to circumvent Trouba's NTC
• Trouba very publicly shows that hockey isn't his priority, his family is (no judgment, just an observation), and acts in his self-interest to block a trade
• Igor very publicly acts in his self-interest by demanding a bag and limiting what the team can do to get better

Nobody should be asking why this doesn't seem like a cohesive team, they are all playing for themselves and not for each other. There's no leadership. Kreider and Panarin wear letters and never talk to the press. Cuylle does more pressers than Kreider. Trocheck barely does them.

 

This is why I kept railing against the gaslighting and people talking about last year's team like it sucked. It didn't. Far from it. But this team sucks right now. If anyone can't see the difference, don't know what to tell you.

 

But, again, people asked for this. "Disrupt the room! Get players to waive!" Yea well, easier said than done. This is what a disrupted room looks like. You can say what you want about them being "professionals" but they are humans first and if they are looking at guys in the lockerroom who are only out for themselves and a GM who does shady shit, well it's hard to buy into to any type of team concept.

[Sharpshooter]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Funny that it's their hashtag considering what we've seen happen since last season ended.

• Drury circumvents Goodrows NTC
• Drury attempts to circumvent Trouba's NTC
• Trouba very publicly shows that hockey isn't his priority, his family is (no judgment, just an observation), and acts in his self-interest to block a trade
• Igor very publicly acts in his self-interest by demanding a bag and limiting what the team can do to get better

Nobody should be asking why this doesn't seem like a cohesive team, they are all playing for themselves and not for each other. There's no leadership. Kreider and Panarin wear letters and never talk to the press. Cuylle does more pressers than Kreider. Trocheck barely does them.

 

This is why I kept railing against the gaslighting and people talking about last year's team like it sucked. It didn't. Far from it. But this team sucks right now. If anyone can't see the difference, don't know what to tell you.

 

But, again, people asked for this. "Disrupt the room! Get players to waive!" Yea well, easier said than done. This is what a disrupted room looks like. You can say what you want about them being "professionals" but they are humans first and if they are looking at guys in the lockerroom who are only out for themselves and a GM who does shady shit, well it's hard to buy into to any type of team concept.

Oh, yeah. The vibes have been pretty bad so far this season. Even when they play okay and win, things are definitely off. Last season was one of the best teams they've ever had, and people were bitching. Appreciate this shit because things change yea to year. I won't say this team will never get into a groove, but they need to dig deep, and I don't know if they can. They wanted to go 'all in' this year, well anything but. We have players playing for themselves, as you said, or ones that have just flat out quit on this organization (Trouba).

[RangersIn7]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Funny that it's their hashtag considering what we've seen happen since last season ended.

• Drury circumvents Goodrows NTC
• Drury attempts to circumvent Trouba's NTC
• Trouba very publicly shows that hockey isn't his priority, his family is (no judgment, just an observation), and acts in his self-interest to block a trade
• Igor very publicly acts in his self-interest by demanding a bag and limiting what the team can do to get better

Nobody should be asking why this doesn't seem like a cohesive team, they are all playing for themselves and not for each other. There's no leadership. Kreider and Panarin wear letters and never talk to the press. Cuylle does more pressers than Kreider. Trocheck barely does them.

 

This is why I kept railing against the gaslighting and people talking about last year's team like it sucked. It didn't. Far from it. But this team sucks right now. If anyone can't see the difference, don't know what to tell you.

 

But, again, people asked for this. "Disrupt the room! Get players to waive!" Yea well, easier said than done. This is what a disrupted room looks like. You can say what you want about them being "professionals" but they are humans first and if they are looking at guys in the lockerroom who are only out for themselves and a GM who does shady shit, well it's hard to buy into to any type of team concept.

I don’t think anyone should be worried about Drury at the helm.

He sees the issues. 
Hes tried to handle them. There are other factors.

 

Goodrow’s contract was an issue. It’s gone.

He didn’t sign Trouba. Saw the contract as an issue. Tried to move it. Couldn’t.

Hes tried to move on from Mika… twice. Got cockblocked both times. Had to extend him. He’s finding a way out of that down the road.

Lindgren… that whole thing. He sees the handwriting on the wall… 1 year deal.

And their drafting under him has been worlds better. 
Curious as to how he handles Igor. We will see.

 

I have no real issue with the guy.

[RangersIn7]

1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said:

Oh, yeah. The vibes have been pretty bad so far this season. Even when they play okay and win, things are definitely off. Last season was one of the best teams they've ever had, and people were bitching. Appreciate this shit because things change yea to year. I won't say this team will never get into a groove, but they need to dig deep, and I don't know if they can. They wanted to go 'all in' this year, well anything but. We have players playing for themselves, as you said, or ones that have just flat out quit on this organization (Trouba).

They are also only 20 games in.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Just now, RangersIn7 said:

They are also only 20 games in.

 

I know, but we're getting close to the point where 'it's early' doesn't really fly anymore. Like you, I'm not worried about Drury, or even the coach for that matter. But, these guys have to dig deep and start playing. In the case of Lindgren and Trouba, they're just toast, I think. Miller's regression hasn't helped either. It doesn't bode well when half, or more, of your defensive group is just flat out not good. 

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

I don’t think anyone should be worried about Drury at the helm.

He sees the issues. 
Hes tried to handle them. There are other factors.

 

Goodrow’s contract was an issue. It’s gone.

He didn’t sign Trouba. Saw the contract as an issue. Tried to move it. Couldn’t.

Hes tried to move on from Mika… twice. Got cockblocked both times. Had to extend him. He’s finding a way out of that down the road.

Lindgren… that whole thing. He sees the handwriting on the wall… 1 year deal.

And their drafting under him has been worlds better. 
Curious as to how he handles Igor. We will see.

 

I have no real issue with the guy.

When did he try to move on from Mika?

 

I never said a word about Drury other than he circumvented a clause he gave out, and tried to do it with one he didn't. Not sure what this is in response to. 

Edited November 25 by Pete

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

I know, but we're getting close to the point where 'it's early' doesn't really fly anymore. Like you, I'm not worried about Drury, or even the coach for that matter. But, these guys have to dig deep and start playing. In the case of Lindgren and Trouba, they're just toast, I think. Miller's regression hasn't helped either. It doesn't bode well when half, or more, of your defensive group is just flat out not good. 

This "Miller regression" narrative is a myth. All strengths:

 

Miller xGF%
w/Fox 60%

w/Trouba 25%

 

Fox xGF%

w/Miller 60%

w/ Lindgren 42%

 

Trouba xGF%

w/Miller 40%

w/Lindgren 24%

w/Schneider 60%

 

Trouba and Lindgren are just anchors. Seems only Schneider has been able to cover up Trouba's awfulness.

[RangersIn7]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

I never when did he try to move on from Mika?

 

I never said a word about Drury other than he circumvented a clause he gave out, and tried to do it with one he didn't. Not sure what this is in response to. 

The deal for Eichel meant Mika likely was gone.

Thats 1.

 

The possible deal he pursued for Pettersson. Which was in the works 

That’s 2.