Pete Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 8 hours ago, siddious said: I see moments of brilliance (which he hardly gets credit for) followed by moments like that video. it all just screams to me of a guy who hasn’t fully developed yet. I still think he should have spent a few more seasons out of the NHL but that ship sailed a long time ago. Miller will be 25 in January. He's already proven he can play in the NHL, a couple of seasons ago he put up around the same number of points Lafreniere did... As a defenseman with no power play time. However, the idea he has nothing left to learn or nothing left to work on is just short-sighted. Every player makes mistakes. Every single one. Difference being Ranger fans are hyperbolic, and if you're not perfect it means you suck, and everybody else's players are better than ours (remember that couple of months everybody was drooling over Zegras? He's got two points and is centering the third line after being incapable of playing wing in the top six.... Who's giving up Miller for that?) I say it all the time, if Makar and Toews where the Rangers top pair and played 80 games on MSG, Ranger fans would find something to nitpick and complain about. If you want to find a measured assessment of a player, you have to look outside the local media where Miller is held in high regard and is a candidate for team USA in the upcoming Four Nations tournament. You don't get mentioned in that context if you suck. Miller will be fine, he's just entering his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I'm good with K'....just show me some more heart! Show me you're not going to get beat outta the corner, or give up on plays like last game. He has all the talent, size, speed and intelligence. I don't give a rat's ass about give-aways, because they all make mistakes from time to time... But show me more heart. Not that shit from last game. That's the Gleyber Torres effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I was open to trading for Zegras in the offseason, but it's looking like they dodged a bullet there. lol Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Ozzy said: I'm good with K'....just show me some more heart! Show me you're not going to get beat outta the corner, or give up on plays like last game. He has all the talent, size, speed and intelligence. I don't give a rat's ass about give-aways, because they all make mistakes from time to time... But show me more heart. Not that shit from last game. That's the Gleyber Torres effect. It's definitely a mental thing. I think Fox can be the same way too. He has great ability, but I feel like he coasts a lot and doesn't look very focused, same with Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 5 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: It's definitely a mental thing. I think Fox can be the same way too. He has great ability, but I feel like he coasts a lot and doesn't look very focused, same with Miller. I feel like Fox picks his spots as to when and where he "coasts" a bit. K' always seems to play better when he's "angry". He hits, and plays with a purpose when he's pissed. That's the K' I wanna see. He can't coast...nor should any of them. But after watching #20 for how many years, it's possible some of that rubbed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Ozzy said: I feel like Fox picks his spots as to when and where he "coasts" a bit. K' always seems to play better when he's "angry". He hits, and plays with a purpose when he's pissed. That's the K' I wanna see. He can't coast...nor should any of them. But after watching #20 for how many years, it's possible some of that rubbed off. I think at times both of those guys make things look so effortless that it comes off as them 'coasting' or 'not caring', even if Fox makes his fair share of brainfart plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 hour ago, Ozzy said: I'm good with K'....just show me some more heart! Show me you're not going to get beat outta the corner, or give up on plays like last game. He has all the talent, size, speed and intelligence. I don't give a rat's ass about give-aways, because they all make mistakes from time to time... But show me more heart. Not that shit from last game. That's the Gleyber Torres effect. Gotta disagree with you on that bold. That’s his problem. Loaded with physical ability, but he’s a low hockey IQ defenseman. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Gotta disagree with you on that bold. That’s his problem. Loaded with physical ability, but he’s a low hockey IQ defenseman. I don't think it's so much he lacks intelligence....I think it's awareness, Brooksy. But I suppose that's just symantics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I don't think it's so much he lacks intelligence....I think it's awareness, Brooksy. But I suppose that's just symantics. It's not semantics, it's nuance, and you're right about that being his issues. Even that play in the corner, it's awareness of who else is on the ice there, Protas is not just a skill player with a bog body, he's got a high motor/compete level. That race goes into the corner 10 times a night, 9 of them the player Miller is defending is content to be pinned there an not drive to the front. But Protas isn't that guy and Miller paid the price. Then it get dissected and addressed as "something that always happens", or some other unquantifiable nonsense. Yet before that Caps game where the whole team was bad, Miller had some of the best stats and underlying metrics, second only to Fox (and not by much). That doesn't happen just because of Fox, or Lindgren would have better numbers. Edited October 31 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, Pete said: It's not semantics, it's nuance, and you're right about that being his issues. Even that play in the corner, it's awareness of who else is on the ice there, Protas is not just a skill player with a bog body, he's got a high motor/compete level. That race goes into the corner 10 times a night, 9 of them the player Miller is defending is content to be pinned there an not drive to the front. But Protas isn't that guy and Miller paid the price. Then it get dissected and addressed as "something that always happens", or some other unquantifiable nonsense. Yet before that Caps game where the whole team was bad, Miller had some of the best stats and underlying metrics, second only to Fox (and not by much). That doesn't happen just because of Fox, or Lindgren would have better numbers. I learned from playing that hockey is too fast a game. You have to have awareness before you get the puck, or before the play is upon you. Not have awareness once you get the puck or the play is upon you. Probably the best coaching advice I ever got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I don't think it's so much he lacks intelligence....I think it's awareness, Brooksy. But I suppose that's just symantics. Maybe a little bit of semantics here, but it is slightly different, and I agree with you. That's something that a player has naturally, like Fox. Edited October 31 by BrooksBurner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I think he just plays like a forward. The good news is defense can be taught. It’s just a matter of will it be taught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Call it awareness, hockey iq or whatever you want Miller is frustrating. Has all the tools in the world, but still pinches at the wrong time resulting in odd man rushes and appears to not play hard enough at times. For once I think Subban was right when he said he should be the Rangers best defenseman. He just needs to get his head in the game at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 6 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: Call it awareness, hockey iq or whatever you want Miller is frustrating. Has all the tools in the world, but still pinches at the wrong time resulting in odd man rushes and appears to not play hard enough at times. For once I think Subban was right when he said he should be the Rangers best defenseman. He just needs to get his head in the game at all times. He is frustrating. And then you realize he's 24 and taken half the reps on defense that many of his peers have taken in their lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 hour ago, siddious said: I think he just plays like a forward. The good news is defense can be taught. It’s just a matter of will it be taught? he's 25. he should've learned by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 days off between games sucks ass. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 7 hours ago, RJWantsTheCup said: Call it awareness, hockey iq or whatever you want Miller is frustrating. Has all the tools in the world, but still pinches at the wrong time resulting in odd man rushes and appears to not play hard enough at times. For once I think Subban was right when he said he should be the Rangers best defenseman. He just needs to get his head in the game at all times. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 19 hours ago, Pete said: He is frustrating. And then you realize he's 24 and taken half the reps on defense that many of his peers have taken in their lifetimes. 18 hours ago, Albatrosss said: he's 25. he should've learned by now It's been 18h and Pete still haven't taken the chance to correct Alba and say that he's wrong again. You alright @Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 29 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: It's been 18h and Pete still haven't taken the chance to correct Alba and say that he's wrong again. You alright @Pete? Some people just don't deserve responses anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 1 hour ago, Pete said: Some people just don't deserve responses anymore. I thought you finally got the balls to put me on ignore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 On 10/31/2024 at 9:44 AM, BrooksBurner said: Gotta disagree with you on that bold. That’s his problem. Loaded with physical ability, but he’s a low hockey IQ defenseman. What you do with a low hockey IQ defenseman with Miller's size and speed is convert him to LW and set him loose in the offensive zone while minimizing the effects of his brainfarts in the defensive zone. Miller looks pretty good in the other team's zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 15 minutes ago, Br4d said: What you do with a low hockey IQ defenseman with Miller's size and speed is convert him to LW and set him loose in the offensive zone while minimizing the effects of his brainfarts in the defensive zone. Miller looks pretty good in the other team's zone. Or just trade him for something decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 19 minutes ago, Br4d said: What you do with a low hockey IQ defenseman with Miller's size and speed is convert him to LW and set him loose in the offensive zone while minimizing the effects of his brainfarts in the defensive zone. Miller looks pretty good in the other team's zone. He's not a low IQ defenseman. He's inexperienced. He makes mistakes, and he's still learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, Pete said: He's not a low IQ defenseman. He's inexperienced. He makes mistakes, and he's still learning. These are excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 5 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: These are excuses. They're reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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