Long live the King Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 12 hours ago, The Dude said: I did? Where? You provided names of young players Sullivan developed that (kinda) proved me wrong about his player development. I don't recall discussing Pittsburghs roster makeup and how it didn't change much. Just that Sullivan didn't develop youth (and I was apparently wrong as he did develop like 3 ok players). Pittsburgh has brought in many pieces over the years. From Kessel, to Hagelin, to Cullen, to Hornqvist, to Zucker, to Carter, to Kapanan, to Rakell. Washington? Not so much. I mean sure scrap heap Strome and Sonny Milano did ok for a bit. Anthony Mantha is one. One fucking player brought in over those 4 years. So, your "gotcha" moment is actually nothing. No comparison. Not even close. Your argument against Sullivan has been playoff advancement. Pittsburgh has more dudes over 35 than in their 20s and no goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 12 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Who? If the argument was based on Guentzel and Rust, it's 100% bullshit as they have been attached to Crosby their entire careers. Totally. Why would we want a coach willing to attach our young forwards to Zibanejad and Panarin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 11 hours ago, The Dude said: Well, that's what he brought to the table along with Marino and Matta. I said Sullivan didn't develop anyone at all. He mentioned these guys. Hence why I said "kinda proved me wrong". I'm underwhelmed with Sullivan and really don't get why people think he's amazing. Josh's mom could have won atleast 2 cups with Crosby, Malkin and Fleury, then been a 1st round exit every season after. Josh's mom can do a lot. Josh Crosby has been in the league for 18 years. 2 cups in 7 with Sullivan. 1 cup in 11 without Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 The only player who can really make a coach look good is the goalie. How many coaches have McDavid and Draisaitl had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 28 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Your argument against Sullivan has been playoff advancement. Pittsburgh has more dudes over 35 than in their 20s and no goalie. My argument has been Sullivan's playoff advancement and development of young players during and since his last cup win 6 years ago, in comparison to what Laviolette has done in the same time frame. It's almost identical except atleast Laviolette was able to win his division a few times, with a younger roster with players HE developed to get there. Yet, somehow Sullivan is this big want and it would make people shoot loads if he were able to come here. While Laviolette is seen as garbage.. It doesn't make sense, unless you just like Sullivan because of his ties to NY and Torts. Laviolette is equal if not better of a choice and he's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Totally. Why would we want a coach willing to attach our young forwards to Zibanejad and Panarin? Imagine putting those two in the same sentence as Crosby lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 42 minutes ago, RangerDanger said: We are spending a lot of time talking about which available candidate has done the most, or comparing playoff records, etc.....but do we know which candidate has done the best with a roster similar to the Rangers? (I admittedly do not know, thus the reason I'm genuinely asking) The Rangers are still, I believe, in Win Now mode, and we'll see very little change to the current roster once you subtract Tank and Kane. So who fits that scenario the best? Meh. I've been talking about how Laviolette has had results with every type of roster. Mixed with some very old vets, extremely young with players he helped bring along and got to a cup final like F Forsberg, Arvidsson, Johansen, Josi, Ellis, Fiala, and Saros. Though some were there prior, he got them to the finals. Check out his Flyers rosters and his Cup winning Canes roster. He's had his hand in developing some of the games better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 I'm just so "meh" on most of these options. Laviolette's a proven winner with some rather significant question marks. Carberry, Leach, or Knoblauch would be our attempt at finding the next Bednar - this misses far more often than it hits. Keefe or Sullivan come with the same question marks around why their super-talented rosters and systems couldn't push past a 5 win playoff in the last 5 years - with Sullivan being somewhat more explicable. I'm at the point where the extent I care about this hire is that they can do the following: 1 - Preach a system that takes advantage of our offensive talent rather than stifles it. 2 - Adjust when the matchups or game situation calls for smarter, more defensively-minded approaches 3 - Have a real development plan for the kids that elicits real results. Too much went into building the draft capital and building the team to have missed as badly as it appears we have. Tick those boxes and we're good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: I'm just so "meh" on most of these options. Laviolette's a proven winner with some rather significant question marks. Carberry, Leach, or Knoblauch would be our attempt at finding the next Bednar - this misses far more often than it hits. Keefe or Sullivan come with the same question marks around why their super-talented rosters and systems couldn't push past a 5 win playoff in the last 5 years - with Sullivan being somewhat more explicable. I'm at the point where the extent I care about this hire is that they can do the following: 1 - Preach a system that takes advantage of our offensive talent rather than stifles it. 2 - Adjust when the matchups or game situation calls for smarter, more defensively-minded approaches 3 - Have a real development plan for the kids that elicits real results. Too much went into building the draft capital and building the team to have missed as badly as it appears we have. Tick those boxes and we're good. I think the difference is the priority in which these boxes are ticked. I think 3 needs to be first at this juncture. Others think 1 needs to be first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: Imagine putting those two in the same sentence as Crosby lol Imagine Chytil being put with Panarin and left there for a whole season. Edited May 29, 2023 by Long live the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Just now, BrooksBurner said: I think the difference is the priority in which these boxes are ticked. I think 3 needs to be first at this juncture. Others think 1 needs to be first. 1 and 3 likely go together to some extent, to be honest. Either way, you can't hire a developmental coach and you can't hire another veteran coddler/kid ignorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 52 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Imagine Chytil being put with Panarin and left there for a whole season. No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 The next coach needs to be able to break the bad habits that many of the vets have built up over the last 4 seasons or so. Panarin's curl back to the blue line after he enters the zone is thing #1 that needs to be de-emphasized. It leads to a lot of cross ice passes through space that is over-populated. It rarely leads to a good shot attempt for the initial recipient and almost never for Panarin. It contributes heavily to the Rangers leaving the front of the net clear when he's on the ice because at least 4 guys aren't going to be in front when that pass is made: Panarin, the guy cross-ice, the guy at the opposite point and the guy behind Panarin on the left side of the ice who either diverts into the middle as Panarin comes back towards him or winds up standing there watching Panarin make the cross-ice pass. It's just a lousy low percentage play by Panarin that takes the pressure off the defense when he uses it. Further, the most likely result of that cross-ice pass recently has been the recipient passing the puck back to Fox and Fox sending it over to the guy on the point who then sends it down low to Panarin, now cruising by the boards, who is just as fucking likely to curl back up towards the blue line as anything else. It's nauseating to watch at this point and a big reason that the Rangers 5v5 play looks like a bad powerplay alignment at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Br4d said: The next coach needs to be able to break the bad habits that many of the vets have built up over the last 4 seasons or so. Panarin's curl back to the blue line after he enters the zone is thing #1 that needs to be de-emphasized. It leads to a lot of cross ice passes through space that is over-populated. It rarely leads to a good shot attempt for the initial recipient and almost never for Panarin. It contributes heavily to the Rangers leaving the front of the net clear when he's on the ice because at least 4 guys aren't going to be in front when that pass is made: Panarin, the guy cross-ice, the guy at the opposite point and the guy behind Panarin on the left side of the ice who either diverts into the middle as Panarin comes back towards him or winds up standing there watching Panarin make the cross-ice pass. It's just a lousy low percentage play by Panarin that takes the pressure off the defense when he uses it. Further, the most likely result of that cross-ice pass recently has been the recipient passing the puck back to Fox and Fox sending it over to the guy on the point who then sends it down low to Panarin, now cruising by the boards, who is just as fucking likely to curl back up towards the blue line as anything else. It's nauseating to watch at this point and a big reason that the Rangers 5v5 play looks like a bad powerplay alignment at this point. These aren't bad habits. It's the result of no plan for zone entries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 @The Dude boner intensifies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: @The Dude boner intensifies "Are you not entertained!?!?!" Jesus. This is the fuckin guy. What's wrong with you people? Ps I have no idea who this Manno guy is. His tweet came up in a Twitter search for Laviolette. Edited May 30, 2023 by The Dude 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Love it. Now let’s win a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, The Dude said: "Are you not entertained!?!?!" Jesus. This is the fuckin guy. What's wrong with you people? Ps I have no idea who this Manno guy is. His tweet came up in a Twitter search for Laviolette. Didn't buy a word of that speech tbh. Lol at the comments on the video at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvBsTrPO0p0 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Didn't buy a word of that speech tbh. Lol at the comments on the video at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvBsTrPO0p0 LOL. I'll again point to the stale Caps roster that was also devastated by injuries. That team needed to be torn down to the studs 3 years ago. Going to the well, with no youth coming in to push the vets or to slide up the lineup doesn't help at all. GM stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Looks like 1 name is off the list: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10077667-nhl-rumors-spencer-carbery-to-be-named-capitals-hc-replaces-peter-laviolette carbery to Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 14 hours ago, The Dude said: "Are you not entertained!?!?!" Jesus. This is the fuckin guy. What's wrong with you people? Ps I have no idea who this Manno guy is. His tweet came up in a Twitter search for Laviolette. That's a lot better than...."You're playing hard guys, but ya gotta play harder. Throw your helmet Troubs! Get em fired up! Beers on me after the game!!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, siddious said: Looks like 1 name is off the list: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10077667-nhl-rumors-spencer-carbery-to-be-named-capitals-hc-replaces-peter-laviolette carbery to Washington And Brunette to Nashville 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: And Brunette to Nashville Edited May 30, 2023 by siddious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Mehhhhh on Hynes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, RichieNextel305 said: Mehhhhh on Hynes. Don’t know much about him but what I do know doesn’t excite me much. If we’re going to go down this road might as well just do Laviolette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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