goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I am certainly new fan of this galoot but one can't argue with results. So what am i missing? How does this squad get a record like this with a coach who-in my unsolicited-opinion doesn't coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Because they're the opposite of better than the sum of their parts. Great coaches can squeeze blood from a stone. They can get more out of less by thinking strategically and tactically about how to make the best use of the tools they're given. This team is the sum of their parts and nothing more, which is why the team is so easy to pick apart when its supreme offense comes up short and/or its elite goaltending falters even slightly. They win in spite of their lack of tactical coaching based purely on their talent level. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Worst coach they've had since the early 2000's, Ron Low/Brian Trottier days. Horrendous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: Because they're the opposite of better than the sum of their parts. Great coaches can squeeze blood from a stone. They can get more out of less by thinking strategically and tactically about how to make the best use of the tools they're given. This team is the sum of their parts and nothing more, which is why the team is so easy to pick apart when its supreme offense comes up short and/or its elite goaltending falters even slightly. They win in spite of their lack of tactical coaching based purely on their talent level. did he squeeze blood from a stone on a inaugural Vegas team? Could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I'm sure he's busy devising a new strategy to counter the Devils speed and quickness. I can't wait to see its unveiling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, CCCP said: did he squeeze blood from a stone on a inaugural Vegas team? Could be A lot of luck involved in that too, and it ran out in the Final. Also not a lot of expansion teams get a roster that good, and a Hall of Fame goalie as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: A lot of luck involved in that too, and it ran out in the Final. Also not a lot of expansion teams get a roster that good, and a Hall of Fame goalie as well. Not unlike other incidents, Trotz purely out-coached/classed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, goondman said: Not unlike other incidents, Trotz purely out-coached/classed him Yep. Gallant was badly outcoached by Cooper in last year's series against Tampa Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sod16 said: I'm sure he's busy devising a new strategy to counter the Devils speed and quickness. I can't wait to see its unveiling! 2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Worst coach they've had since the early 2000's, Ron Low/Brian Trottier days. Horrendous. Whew, those were some dark days, weren't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, goondman said: Whew, those were some dark days, weren't they Indeed. Made even darker by some awful head coaching decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: Yep. Gallant was badly outcoached by Cooper in last year's series against Tampa Bay. Embarrassingly! Which begs the question, when do we get our Cooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: Indeed. Made even darker by some awful head coaching decisions. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Sod16 said: I'm sure he's busy devising a new strategy to counter the Devils speed and quickness. I can't wait to see its unveiling! I guess we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, CCCP said: did he squeeze blood from a stone on a inaugural Vegas team? Could be Mostly luck. Ton of grievance fueling all the "outcasts" taken to join an expansion team, and rode extremely hot goaltending (Fleury near .930). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 38 minutes ago, goondman said: Embarrassingly! Which begs the question, when do we get our Cooper? I figure if we don't at least get back to the ECF this season, we still have the "Igor window" open for the next 2 seasons. It's my best guess, Goondman that we'll see a change after this playoff run. Hopefully we get my man, Quenneville!! I'll pee my pants if we pull that one off. But if anyone can do it, I trust in the Dru! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) We should all take a moment to reflect on Mika turning into a top 5 2 way Center and Fox becoming a Norris Trophy winner and Shesty hitting at his apparent peak and Kreider taking it to another level as we skewer GG for his lack of coaching skills. No guarantee any of that happens under another coach. Vet players coaches have a way of getting the best out of vets they inherit. The possible collateral damage with the kids needs to be weighed also. The problem I have with the "off with his head!" crowd is that for better or worse GG is the Ranger's winningest coach right now and while we can all point at the talent and say that is the reason the facts are that while we point at that talent we should also ask if they are at or near their peaks under his tutelage. Edited March 31, 2023 by Br4d 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Br4d said: We should all take a moment to reflect on Mika turning into a top 5 2 way Center and Fox becoming a Norris Trophy winner and Shesty hitting at his apparent peak and Kreider taking it to another level as we skewer GG for his lack of coaching skills. No guarantee any of that happens under another coach. Vet players coaches have a way of getting the best out of vets they inherit. The possible collateral damage with the kids needs to be weighed also. The problem I have with the "off with his head!" crowd is that for better or worse GG is the Ranger's winningest coach right now and while we can all point at the talent and say that is the reason the facts are that while we point at that talent we should ask if they are at or near their peaks under his tutelage. I totally get where you're at, Brad. I was in favor of Gallant for a while, but now I'm seeing things from both sides of the fence. This team, as @Phil put it, wins in spite of their poor structure, and they win on their talent and ability. I'm not too sure what or how Gallant has any stake in that, since he seems to be a more "hands off" kinda coach. It looking more and more like the lunatics are running the asylum, and someone has to be there to make certain that they stick to the script. I'm not so sure Gallant is THAT guy. Time will tell us though in short order. If we faceplant in the playoffs, it could be the straw that breaks the Snuffleupagus' back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Yeah, if we exit in round 1 to the Devils there will be a lot of pressure to make a change. If that happens Drury had better get it right because he'll be firing a 2x 100+ pts coach and if the team steps down somehow with the next guy it will be Drury on the chopping block along side him. GG's pattern is pretty clear though. He's the classic vet-friendly player's coach and those guys get maybe 2 or 3 seasons before the inmates are running the asylum and everything degrades. GG needs to find a second act here and soon or the pattern will repeat. Winning a cup would be a great second act. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Phil said: Because they're the opposite of better than the sum of their parts. Great coaches can squeeze blood from a stone. They can get more out of less by thinking strategically and tactically about how to make the best use of the tools they're given. This team is the sum of their parts and nothing more, which is why the team is so easy to pick apart when its supreme offense comes up short and/or its elite goaltending falters even slightly. They win in spite of their lack of tactical coaching based purely on their talent level. Quoted for finally being right about something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 When's the last time you heard a Ranger say "We just stuck to our system" as part of any post game comments. It's all "We got away from the way we want to play". The system is there to support quick decisions and pressure situations. They fail spectacularly when they are pressed, because there's no time to read the play and make something out of nothing. When you're rushed or pressed you should be able to make a quick play within the system because you know where your teammate will be. And fuck the record, Igor fucking won a Vezina trophy playing on a team at the top of the league in HDSCA. It's only due to his greatness and the PP last year that this team wasn't a bubble team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Pete said: When's the last time you heard a Ranger say "We just stuck to our system" as part of any post game comments. It's all "We got away from the way we want to play". The system is there to support quick decisions and pressure situations. They fail spectacularly when they are pressed, because there's no time to read the play and make something out of nothing. When you're rushed or pressed you should be able to make a quick play within the system because you know where your teammate will be. And fuck the record, Igor fucking won a Vezina trophy playing on a team at the top of the league in HDSCA. It's only due to his greatness and the PP last year that this team wasn't a bubble team. All of this. You see it on full display in games when they play controlled opponents like the Devils, Canes, and Isles, who even play structured offense. Look at last night's game as a prime example. I'd tell you to count the number of times the Devils were able to set up prime scoring chances from the middle of the ice, but you'd lose fucking count. Because there was no adjustment made. Gallant probably told them "play better!" and they kinda, sorta did, a little, but still lost. He's a cheerleader, not a coach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I'm not sure Quenneville deserves the opportunity. What that guy did to that kid by turning his back was horrific. I don't think he deserves the privilege and honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Maybe not, but the Rangers deserve a real coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, jsrangers said: I'm not sure Quenneville deserves the opportunity. What that guy did to that kid by turning his back was horrific. I don't think he deserves the privilege and honor. But we need to win a Cup with this core 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: Ton of grievance fueling all the "outcasts" taken to join an expansion team, and rode extremely hot goaltending (Fleury near .930). This. No motivation like a bunch of guys being told, “We don’t want you!” Hot goalie too of course. Gallant was perfect for them. He could say, “You bunch of outcast fuckers…go out there and prove ‘em all wrong.” And then just let them play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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